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Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine
Alhumdulillah. As-salaam alaikum, brother. I'm a Sufi-practicing Muslim myself!
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by seethetruth
Quote me the quotes from your Koran, and I will do some further research to try and understand the discrepancies. I overlooked your post before as I was involved in a debate with someone else - I was not avoiding the question.
i did quote them to you in my other posts
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by DeadSnow
Okay, well at least you are asking my opinion instead of claiming you already know. The Koran was the result of 'divine revelation' to Mohammed. He claimed that he was visited by the angel Gabriel over a period of 22 years, who dictated masses of material for him to record in memory, and which was later written down. It was not anything to do with Judaism or Christianity, though Mohammed had former contact with Jews when they jointly persecuted Christians, before the 'revelations' began.
You realize it's all the same God right?
It's called the Abrahamic Faiths for a reason you know.
~Tenth
Originally posted by dthwraith
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by DeadSnow
Okay, well at least you are asking my opinion instead of claiming you already know. The Koran was the result of 'divine revelation' to Mohammed. He claimed that he was visited by the angel Gabriel over a period of 22 years, who dictated masses of material for him to record in memory, and which was later written down. It was not anything to do with Judaism or Christianity, though Mohammed had former contact with Jews when they jointly persecuted Christians, before the 'revelations' began.
You realize it's all the same God right?
It's called the Abrahamic Faiths for a reason you know.
~Tenth
No it's not and it never will be! If you want to think they are the same feel free to do so, but don't try to brain wash others into excepting that garbage!
Originally posted by dthwraith
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by DeadSnow
Okay, well at least you are asking my opinion instead of claiming you already know. The Koran was the result of 'divine revelation' to Mohammed. He claimed that he was visited by the angel Gabriel over a period of 22 years, who dictated masses of material for him to record in memory, and which was later written down. It was not anything to do with Judaism or Christianity, though Mohammed had former contact with Jews when they jointly persecuted Christians, before the 'revelations' began.
You realize it's all the same God right?
It's called the Abrahamic Faiths for a reason you know.
~Tenth
No it's not and it never will be! If you want to think they are the same feel free to do so, but don't try to brain wash others into excepting that garbage!
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
However, Islam in itself, in its literal and true form, is not a religion of peace. The scriptures of the Koran openly promote violence against all who are not Muslim, with explicit instructions regarding the need for ongoing conquest and subjection of all who are not in submission to Islam (in fact, 'Islam' literally means 'submission').
Islam is questionably not even a religion, as the word is properly understood. It is unique, in that it claims to be a totalitarian spiritual and materialistic revelation to Mankind. It is a total life-system, with its own political aims and its own judicial practices (Sharia law - for example, a woman who testifies that she has been raped can legitimately be stoned to death for adultery)... In the religious sense, God is claimed to be unknowable, and so prayer is not an intimate time of personal reflection, but is rather the repetition by rote en-masse of loosely fixed mantras.
Any deviation from the largely materialistic precepts laid out in the pages of the Koran is considered blasphemous. That is why hardline Muslims will quite often kill their more moderate counterparts. Moderate Muslims only succeed in being 'moderate', because they ignore the more hateful commands in the Koran.
Originally posted by igor_ats
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
However, Islam in itself, in its literal and true form, is not a religion of peace. The scriptures of the Koran openly promote violence against all who are not Muslim, with explicit instructions regarding the need for ongoing conquest and subjection of all who are not in submission to Islam (in fact, 'Islam' literally means 'submission').
Islam is questionably not even a religion, as the word is properly understood. It is unique, in that it claims to be a totalitarian spiritual and materialistic revelation to Mankind. It is a total life-system, with its own political aims and its own judicial practices (Sharia law - for example, a woman who testifies that she has been raped can legitimately be stoned to death for adultery)... In the religious sense, God is claimed to be unknowable, and so prayer is not an intimate time of personal reflection, but is rather the repetition by rote en-masse of loosely fixed mantras.
Any deviation from the largely materialistic precepts laid out in the pages of the Koran is considered blasphemous. That is why hardline Muslims will quite often kill their more moderate counterparts. Moderate Muslims only succeed in being 'moderate', because they ignore the more hateful commands in the Koran.
True, Islam is not a religion it is a way of Life.
It is also true that moderates are only moderates because they ignore the extreme parts.
This is not to say that radical Islam does not exist, it certainly does. But no more than radical (insert religion here), the only real difference is which one the media focuses on. Which one they'd like you to think was the boogy man for whatever war they wanna start cause the coffers are getting low.
Originally posted by samsamm9
reply to post by CoolerAbdullah786
Salam Brothers,
I had a question for My.mind.is.mine and you please,
just wondering from which Tariqa you are from ?
Hope I'm not being to personal here
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Originally posted by samsamm9
Did ATS become a haven for Anti-Islamic propaganda ?
This is getting really old dude.
Originally posted by Murgatroid
Originally posted by samsamm9
Did ATS become a haven for Anti-Islamic propaganda ?
This is getting really old dude.
So is this: