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reply to post by TrueAmerican
TextSince the flies have surfaced and CLAIM it is the right thing to do? BS! The right thing to do is to provide any and all information that will clear Obama of this mess. Until the questions stop. Until there is no more information that can be had.
Originally posted by longlostbrother
reply to post by Libertygal
I'm pretty sure, based on all of that, that you don't know what pro bono means... if the "Obama" won, then the other side would pay Bowen's standard fees, if "Obama" lost then Bauer would be receiving nothing.
In other words, at no point was Bowen paid by the campaign.
I think you're really confused!
OR you're just lying?
pro bo·no /ˌproʊ ˈboʊnoʊ/ Show Spelled[proh boh-noh] Show IPA
done or donated without charge; free: pro bono legal services.
pro bo·no (pr bn)
Done without compensation for the public good: a lawyer's pro bono work.
Title: Alan Keyes, et al., Petitioners
Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State, et al.
Docketed: May 4, 2011
Lower Ct: Court of Appeal of California, Third Appellate District
Case Nos.: (C062321)
Decision Date: October 25, 2010
Decision Date: February 2, 2011
Plaintiff: GREGORY S. HOLLISTER
Defendants: BARRY SOETORO, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR. and DOES
Case Number: 1:2008cv02254
Filed: December 31, 2008
Court: District Of Columbia District Court
Office: Other Statutory Actions Office
Presiding Judge: Judge James Robertson
Nature of Suit: Other Statutes - Other Statutory Actions
Cause: U.S. Government Defendant
Jurisdiction: U.S. Government Defendant
Jury Demanded By: 28:1335 Interpleader Action
Following Cases: Gregory Hollister v. Barry Soetoro, et al (09-5080) and John Hemenway v. Barry Soetoro (09-5161)
We have record of the following docket entries for this case.
Date Filed # Document Text
December 4, 2009 30 NOTICE OF SUBSTITUTION OF COUNSEL by Marc Erik Elias on behalf of BARRY SOETORO Substituting for attorney Robert F. Bauer (Elias, Marc)
May 2012 FEC report for Obama for America (April)
Perkins Coie: $146,663.73
April 2012 FEC report for Obama for America (March)
Perkins Coie: $201,199.13
March 2012 FEC report for Obama for America (February
Perkins Coie: $317,707.53
February 2012 FEC report for Obama for America (January)
Perkins Coie: $257,042.32
Year End, 2011, FEC report for Obama for America
Perkins Coie: $168,367.29
Total to date: $4,243,642.88
Note: The above query is now failing, but the number is what the FEC reported earlier this year. I have reported it to the FEC.
Carlos Luna, of the FEC, responded and says a candidate must be an Active (Declared) Presidential Candidate before the deadline of a particular report (Q1, Q2, …etc) for their report summary totals to display here. The Q1 (while it was previous displayed) was removed, because The Obama for America first quarter report was filed before the Obama statement of candidacy was filed.
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by daddio
So define natural born citizen.
You keep bringing this up but what does it mean exactly?
Oh, I know.
He must be born on the continent only, and absolutely nowhere else in the world right? And must be white.
Well, you are very wrong.
In 2011, a Congressional Research Service Report Stated:
The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.
^ "Qualifications for President and the 'Natural Born' Citizenship Eligibility Requirement". Congressional Research Service report. Federation of American Scientists. November 14, 2011. p. 2. Retrieved February 25, 2012.
Here's the full PDF:
But I'm sure you'll just ignore it in favor of your belief and won't change your mind.
The term “natural born” citizen is not defined in the Constitution, and there is no discussion of the term evident in the notes of the Federal Convention of 1787. The use of the phrase in the Constitution may have derived from a suggestion in a letter from John Jay to George Washington during the Convention expressing concern about having the office of Commander-in-Chief “devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen,” as there were fears at that time about wealthy European aristocracy or royalty coming to America, gaining citizenship, and then buying and scheming their way to the presidency without long-standing loyalty to the nation. At the time of independence, and at the time of the framing of the Constitution, the term “natural born” with respect to citizenship was in use for many years in the American colonies, and then in the states, from British common law and legal usage. Under the common law principle of jus soli (law of the soil), persons born on English soil, even of two alien parents, were “natural born” subjects and, as noted by the Supreme Court, this “same rule” was applicable in the American colonies and “in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution ...” with respect to citizens. In textual constitutional analysis, it is understood that terms used but not defined in the document must, as explained by the Supreme Court, “be read in light of British common law” since the Constitution is “framed in the language of the English common law.”
Eh, why should I bother. The birthers will just ignore any fact in support of Obama not being a Kenyan.
edit on 18-7-2012 by EvilSadamClone because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Xcalibur254
TextObama underwent the same vetting process as every other candidate. Why is this process suddenly not good enough for him but it's fine for every other President? Also, Arpaio, his posse, and any other person in the world have no right to access Obama's personal records.