Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

reply to post by texasgirl

The answer is simple. Fire the part time people and layoff enough full time to afford company based health insurance.

Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd

Originally posted by elitegamer23


i think people live where they grow up or where they can find the best possible job after college.

If you think tax rates don't come to mind when people make the decision on whether to move or not, you are very naive.

There is a reason the states with the highest tax rates in the country have seen large amounts of their residents leaving and going to states with much lower tax rates.

There are several companies that have moved out of California, New York and Illinois to avoid the ever increasing taxes. Several of them have relocated to states like Arizona & Florida that are much more business friendly. When these companies move, people move along with them. Living in Florida it seems like most everybody I talk to relocated from some other state. Many did so because of property taxes, state taxes, cost of living...ect.

reply to post by ownbestenemy

I love these and agree with your C assertion, but your A and B are quite funny. My guess is both A/B have no idea why they are happy or upset; but you were very specific to point out why they were upset.

Probably very true.

The reason I was only specific with the people who were angry is because honestly, those were the only people I asked why this was such a bad thing. With those that were happy about it, I really didn't ask them why.

But yes...the majority still just didn't know what the hell was going on.

Originally posted by Honor93
ummm, i have a procedural question ... anyone ??
after reading far too many pages already, why 'o why isn't anyone questioning WHY Kagan voted ??
Kagan, with a clearly established "conflict of interest" / Last Year, did agree (then) to recuse herself. so, why are we here, now ??

at 4/4 (rather 5/4) this becomes a Non-issue, as it should be.

She never said she would recuse herself...and since Thomas didn't, I see no reason for her to.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
I predict that in a few years Americans will be very happy with Obamacare. They will still fight over it, the way we fight over it in Canada, but on the whole it will act as a fantastic decompresser that reduces, in innumerable ways, the tensions of life in your country.

I think that is very true.

It will be like Social Security...people claim to hate it...but they also claim that the government better not take it away from them.

reply to post by toriacee

From what I understand, we will be required to send in our medical history to the government, at which time they will add it to their national database (which I find disturbing and creepy). Then a government panel will decide treatment.

No, that is not in the bill.

reply to post by beezzer

THAT freedom to do so has been taken away.

But we had too many of those pesky freedoms didn't we.

Oh yes...that freedome of dying a slow painful death because our insurance company kicked us off after we got sick.

I'm sure going to miss that freedom.

I know, right? Making decisions for yourself is so over-rated.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Jedimind


I said that if anyone can rebut his arguments then I'm all ears...

It is a strategy often employed.

One half-truth...lie...distortion is quickly pounced on and debunked.

BUT...give a long ramble/laundry list of various half-truths and BS...it requires a few pages of debunking. People have short attention spans and won't read the debunking and the orignal claimant of the BS or poster will simply not respond and move on to new BS.

One lie makes the news....a series of lies lumped together exhausts the listener and demands more work from Honest folks to rebut.

Mitt Romney employs this in his debates and speeches.

Gingrich observing the same about Romney:

"He would say thing after thing after thing that just plain wasn't true," Gingrich said of the former Massachusetts governor in reference to last Thursday debate's on CNN. "I don't know how you debate a person with civility if they're prepared to say things that are just plain factually false. "

After a debate in Florida, Newt Gingrich said Romney gave "the most blatantly dishonest performance by a presidential candidate I've ever seen." Earlier, Rick Santorum said he was "stunned that Mitt Romney does not have the ability to discern something that is blatantly false."

www.cnn.com...


Try this...pick an item you would like me to address...and be prepared to respond...and respond based on cited facts and evidence...and I will respond honestly to anything that he claimed in the laundry list

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Why is it so hard for you to pick just one?
Instead of giving a long-winded reply that could be summed up in the last sentence of your post. Which said, you pick one.

Personally, I am going to wait for this to play out. Like any bill, there are probably some good things and bad things. Once I actually see the bad things then I will lobby to get those part changed. As of this moment I am seeing too many rumors and conflicting scenarios.

Originally posted by NavyDoc
I know, right? Making decisions for yourself is so over-rated.

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I'm so glad Obama has taken the weight of making healthcare decisions for me and my family away from me.

The whole idea of personal responsibility and taking care of things myself was just too much.

(it was making my bunny cry)

America just got another socialist wake up call. I disagree with those that think this will somehow help the poor, it will cause more cancer from maltreatment and corporate medicine and the poor will be the guillible ones who will not be able to see this. Socialism is a penalty for the poor, the socialists should be ashamed of themselves for supporting a flawed system that has killed over a hundred million people through misguided food control policy. Now with corporate prescription drugs being more dangerous than other, with over one hundred thousand deaths a year, this is a eugenics program waiting to happen. I disagree with anyone who says this is an accident, it was planned all along to make trillions of dollars and enslave americans. The only solution is nonviolent but firm resistance. It is time to get off your knees America.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


So I hvae to get health insurance now.....which I can't afford.....or I go to jail ?

Isn't jail for people who are a threat to society ?

So not having insurance / not paying the government more money for stuff that hasn't happened is a threat to society ?

Or is it a threat to Obama's regime ?

Originally posted by travisirius
reply to post by Wooster

 

It will take years before it increases our deficit at kind of like SS.
The uninformed would like you to think it will cost a trillion right out of the blocks.
Here's a suggestion, take any additional costs when they come from the defense budget. That's part of the reason other countries can afford things because they spend a fraction what we do.
Pentagon waste too. Disband 2 of Nixon's mistakes the DEA & the ATF. Bunch of f--ups.

It has already increased our deficit. Did you see how much it cost to bring this bill to life?

reply to post by beezzer

The whole idea of personal responsibility and taking care of things myself was just too much.

If people were already responsible...there would be no need for a bill like this. And for some people...they would love to be responsible, but it cost to much for them to be responsible.


The one thing I don't see any of the opponents of this bill arguing against is that the bill will decrease health insurance costs that will make it affordable for everyone to get insurance. They are just mad that everyone has to participate.


There is a connection there....I think people will slowly figure out that connection over time.

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


By you not having health insurance, you are taking a gamble that you won't need serious major medical care that will cost 100s of thousands od dollars.

When people who don't have insurance need that major medical care...it negetively effects the rest of us by increasing costs.

If you truly can't afford health insurance, this bill will give you assistance.

Perhaps we should organize a citizen's protest march on the Whitehouse to oppose this bill. If you can't go to Washington, go to your local courthouse,etc., make all of the protests happen on the same day across the US. Maybe instead of arguing here, we make our position known, very loudly, that we don't want this stinking bill. Let them know what we think with peaceful protest. Country is in an uproar over this, a lot of people are extremely pi**ed off about this.

How about it, where do we start?

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by beezzer

 

The whole idea of personal responsibility and taking care of things myself was just too much.

If people were already responsible...there would be no need for a bill like this. And for some people...they would love to be responsible, but it cost to much for them to be responsible.


The one thing I don't see any of the opponents of this bill arguing against is that the bill will decrease health insurance costs that will make it affordable for everyone to get insurance. They are just mad that everyone has to participate.


There is a connection there....I think people will slowly figure out that connection over time.

Please show some proof of this lowering of cost that you speak of.

Originally posted by Soulhacking
I can see whats coming down the pipe next too. Watch the borders tighten up. Passports are going to become impossible to acquire. So if you don't have one now get a passport while you still can.

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And run to where?

I was born here. THIS is my home. This has been the home of my ancestors going back hundreds and thousands of years, depending on which branch you want to run along. This is where they are all buried. This is where I will die.

And if push comes to shove, I'll die on my feet, not on my knees. Anything less is a betrayal of everything they ever stood for, and I want to be able to look them in the eye on the other side, and tell them that I I wasn't any better than them - but neither was I any less, and that I never willingly gave away the freedom they died to give me.


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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by ipsedixit
I predict that in a few years Americans will be very happy with Obamacare. They will still fight over it, the way we fight over it in Canada, but on the whole it will act as a fantastic decompresser that reduces, in innumerable ways, the tensions of life in your country.

I think that is very true.

It will be like Social Security...people claim to hate it...but they also claim that the government better not take it away from them.

I have a right to my social security, I paid into it. Most people who recieve social security now did not pay a dime into it. Of course from what I understand, I will probably never see it because of when I will retire it won't be solvent. So I have made other plans. But of course I would like to see something I paid for.