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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by EvilSadamClone
And the saddest part is they'll fine anybody who can't afford it because you have to pay for the healthcare. That's what makes it the biggest scam in the planet.
People who can't afford should be going on State medicaid.
If a State decides not to expand it as planned...then they are just screwing over their people.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Here is the entire SCOTUS decision...only 193 pages.
www.supremecourt.gov...
CNN Article:
news.blogs.cnn.com...
In its 5-4 decision to uphold the U.S. health care law, the Supreme Court answered several key questions:
...
Question: Can the federal government force states to expand their share of Medicaid costs and administration?
The court's answer: Yes, but the justices ruled that the federal government cannot remove existing Medicaid funding if the states choose not to participate in the new program.
OF COURSE we will all end up paying. There are A LOT of people in this country TOO POOR to afford it.
Originally posted by MegaMind
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by MegaMind
If you are that rich what do you need insurance for? You are self insured ...
And the hospital will charge you more than it actually needs to make up for the money it loses to all the deadbeat poor and uninsured. Every time you self pay for medical services, you are already paying a hidden tax.
Not true. I ALWAYS pay less when I self pay.
Actually the hospital cut my $10,000 bill in half because I was paying for it myself ...
I think they are over charging insurance companies ...
edit on 28-6-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MegaMind
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
And just what the frick do you call it??
It is socialized medicine, just under cover of another name.
I would love socialized medicine.
Then move to Europe and quit bothering us
Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd
reply to post by Indigo5
Better yet, instead of taxing those you are envious of, why not eliminate each and every unconstitutional expenditure government makes first?
HUGE victory for Obama.
Originally posted by Mart0
What exactly does this new ruling "restrict" exactly?
Originally posted by Mart0
The right for you not to care about poor people?
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I forget where that is? Bill of Rights, Constitution or Declaration of Independence?
It is not the place of Govt to force the Citizens to Care for others.
Talk about Forced Service or Repentance. Good hell.
Originally posted by Mart0
The right for you to pretend the poor and needy don't exist?
Same right as above. So, the Poor are now a special class, higher then others, because they have their own law? Man, I should go have some new laws written just for me.
Originally posted by Mart0
And also...What?...Advancement of society isn't restrictions?
Yep, the forced march, sung to the Eugenics tune is paved with Gold. Hurray everybody.
Originally posted by Mart0
I know of 12 pretty big restrictions that a bearded guy gave on a mount once,You might of heard of them. It's pretty much the basis of the human race.
I failed to see where it was stated those were to be enforced by Govt? Maybe part of the tablets dropped in the Mel Brooks Movie "History of the World".
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by FlyersFan
The official language of the SCOTUS was that this is NOT a penalty. (they read the ruling on TV saying that) It's a tax. Obama said it wasn't a tax. The SCOTUS said it definately IS a tax. A tax if you don't buy their product. Which means it really is a penalty tax even if they deny it.
Yes, it is a penalty administered as a tax...which according to the SCOTUS is Constitutional.
You can't say that 'most people' won't pay this tax. You assume that the healthy younger crowd (under 40) will pony up and buy the gov't insurance rather than pay the lesser TAX that has now been imposed on them.
And that is their choice.
Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
reply to post by SeesFar
Your husband and yourself won't be offered Insurance anymore. There is a provision int eh bill that allows the business to opt out and send you to a stater government program that will be even more expensive. I see alot of people uninformed of the law in place and solid now.
You wouldn't even believe how many provisions are in the bill. It's a 2,000 page bill full of provisions.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by MegaMind
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
And just what the frick do you call it??
It is socialized medicine, just under cover of another name.
I would love socialized medicine.
Then move to Europe and quit bothering us
What is it that Conservatives say about "illegal" immigrants....they should stay in their own country and fix it????
I think that is exactly what I will do...I'll stay in the US and fight to fix it.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by MegaMind
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
And just what the frick do you call it??
It is socialized medicine, just under cover of another name.
I would love socialized medicine.
Then move to Europe and quit bothering us
What is it that Conservatives say about "illegal" immigrants....they should stay in their own country and fix it????
I think that is exactly what I will do...I'll stay in the US and fight to fix it.
Originally posted by PvtHudson
So basically, Obama has just raised taxes on lower and middle class people? How is that a positive?
Originally posted by Springer
I don't know why people think this is a huge victory for Obama, if the economy doesn't improve and bring unemployment way down, historically, he has a zero percent chance of reelection.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by FlyersFan
As far as your comment 'being a responsible member of society' and buying into the gov't insurance
...
So, by being too poor to buy into this government product
There is no "gov't insurance" to buy into.
Are you that ignorant of the facts of this bill or are you intentionally trying to spread false information as well???
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
But everyone can CHOOSE to avoid that tax.