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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Masonic teachings are available for free as well, you just haven't taken the time to read them.

Unfortunately, things like having and maintaining a Lodge building, contributing to charities, and purchasing regailia costs money.




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
 


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Your eye is the Ayin, the light bearer, the Capricorn (sea-goat) who initiates one into self-knowledge and made men into gods, or in modernity good men better.

The goat ruled by Saturn who bears a hexagram on its pole and is representative of the cube (google mandala and you will see the 3d cube in the six pointed star), or square which you masons so often go by.

The G between your compass representing "deity" or geometry, the art used to describe and commune with said "deity."



"The Devil" is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes. This has led to so much confusion of thought that THE BEAST 666 has preferred to let names stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that AIWAZ — the solar-phallic-hermetic "Lucifer" is His own Holy Guardian Angel, and "The Devil" SATAN or HADIT of our particular unit of the Starry Universe.

This serpent, SATAN, is not the enemy of Man, but He who made Gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil; He bade "Know Thyself!" and taught Initiation.

He is "the Devil" of the Book of Thoth, and His emblem is BAPHOMET, the Androgyne who is the hieroglyph of arcane perfection. The number of His Atu is XV, which is Yod He, the Monogram of the Eternal, the Father one with the Mother, the Virgin Seed one with all-containing Space. He is therefore Life, and Love.

But moreover his letter is Ayin, the Eye; he is Light, and his Zodiacal image is Capricornus, that leaping goat whose attribute is Liberty.

(Note that the "Jehovah" of the Hebrews is etymologically connected with these. The classical example of such antinomy, one which has led to such disastrous misunderstandings, is that between NU and HAD, North and South, Jesus and John. The subject is too abstruse and complicated to be discussed in detail here. The student should consult the writings of Sir R. Payne Knight, General Forlong, Gerald Massey, Fabre d'Olivet; etc. etc., for the data on which these considerations are ultimately based.)

-Crowley


Ayin
en.wikipedia.org...



The letter name is derived from Proto-Semitic *ʿayn- "eye", and the Phoenician letter had an eye-shape, ultimately derived from the ı͗r hieroglyph
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. To this day, 'ayin in Hebrew, Arabic and Maltese means "eye" (‘ayno in Assyrian).


I would pray you are in fact mere fools and not moros.

Great name greater than all your riches, I know the truth you can't confuse me bit....s
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 01:18 AM
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Thank you for telling us about our own symbolism...too bad that isn't accepted.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
 

Thank you for telling us about our own symbolism...too bad that isn't accepted.


Accepted by who?

You have no single ruling body so every denomination of masonry to consolidate your beliefs.

Do we have to go through the whole accepted, speculative, irregular masonry and grand lodges who hold sway over specific regions but each lodge acts independently rigamarole again?



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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You speak the truth brother!


--Off Topic, One Liners and General Back Scratching Posts--

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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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Except none of the individual bodies accepts that. There may not be a central authority, but there is common knowledge and practice.

I'm well versed in how all the Grand Lodges work. I don't need a lecture from you.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Only in ignorance does he seem to speak anything accurate.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
 

Thank you for telling us about our own symbolism...too bad that isn't accepted.


Accepted by who?

You have no single ruling body so every denomination of masonry to consolidate your beliefs.

Do we have to go through the whole accepted, speculative, irregular masonry and grand lodges who hold sway over specific regions but each lodge acts independently rigamarole again?



All true Freemasonry must have at it's core the Ancient Landmarks.

Coincidentally, none of the crap you wrote above is actually IN the landmarks.




Joseph Fort Newton, in The Builders, offers a simple definition of the Landmarks as: "The fatherhood of God, the brotherhood of man, the moral law, the Golden Rule, and the hope of life everlasting."

Roscoe Pound subscribed to six landmarks:

Belief in a Supreme Being

Belief in the immortality of the soul

A "book of sacred law" as an indispensable part of the "furniture" (or furnishings) of the Lodge

The legend of the Third Degree

The secrets of Freemasonry: The modes of recognition and the symbolic ritual of the Lodge

That a Mason be a man, freeborn, and of lawful age.

In the 1950s the Commission on Information for Recognition of the Conference of Grand Masters of Masons in North America upheld three "ancient Landmarks"[4]:

Monotheism — An unalterable and continuing belief in God.

The Volume of The Sacred Law — an essential part of the furniture of the Lodge.

Prohibition of the discussion of Religion and Politics (within the lodge).


In the US and UK the VSL is the Holy Bible and is opened at every meeting.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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So you are saying that non of the lodges use an all seeing eye, or the G representing 'deity' or geometry?

Contrary to your claims I have been quite on point about the symbolism which coincides with your 'landmarks'.

The immortality of the soul comes in from the rebirth ritual in which the mason's eyes are opened to the reality of the spiritual realm and its beings.

That is if you are competent in the matters. In case you still don't understand I am referring to the legend of the third degree.Have you even been conferred the 'honors' of master mason of the third degree yet?

You even realize the York rite confers the Grand Emblem of Royal Arch Masonry which is the triple Tau, the Tau is a symbol of Saturn.

Tau Cross and the Triple Tau
symboldictionary.net...



The Tau or Tav means “cross,” and is the final letter of the Hebrew alphabet. It is numbered 300 in the Greek and 400 in the Hebrew numerical alphabet.

The tau corresponds astrologically with the planet Saturn and the concept of finality.

The mark was associated with the absolution of sin and may have been the original “mark of Cain” of the Old Testament. In the Hebrew kabbala, the Tav represents the completion of creation and is an emblem of infinity. In the visions of Ezekiel, it is the sign etched on the foreheads of priests and initiates. The Greek Tau is associated with the letter Theta, an emblem of death originally symbolized by a cross in a circle or a skull.

It is assumed the the biblical symbolism of the Tau stems from the ancient cult of Tammuz, a vegetation god whose annual death and resurrection was commemorated by ritual mourners who marked their foreheads with the cross.


Now you know more about the coffin with a vine growing from it which is on the master mason's apron (well George Washington's at least). The death and rebirth is the Sun's procession through the gates of Capricorn (the sea-goat, baphomet, all seeing eye) in death and rebirth through the gates of Cancer.

Where did I even mention talk of politics in the lodges?

Your counter is unbalanced and rather disingenuous.

~

Now if you want to get into landmarks we can pursue the interesting synchronicity of the 33rd meridians and their linkage to ancient structures.

Or we could discuss the impact of the six pointed star, the hexagram/Saturn's impact on the highest orders of science.

Have you ever seen pictures of the Large Hadron Collider?
Scientists close in on 'God particle'
www.timeslive.co.za...

The image they provide clearly shows the hexagram shape of the LHC.



This same shape is found on the pole of Saturn.
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posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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No, not all Lodges use the 'G', particularly the European Brothers. Nor do all Lodges use "GOATU", in the Grand Orient of Italy they use "AGDGADU", essentially it means the same thing though. My point is that some symbolism does differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but there are some basic tenets that all Lodges follow.

There is no rebirthing ceremony in Freemasonry.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by protocolsoflove
I recently found an extremely interesting article about freemasonry.




33-degree Jim Shaw walked away from Freemasonry one day, after participating in a a Masonic Maundy Thursday 'black communion' ceremony in his Scottish Rites Temple in Florida. Participants of this ceremony are required to refer to Jesus as an "apostle of mankind who was neither inspired or divine". They then proceed to mock Jesus further by enacting a strange "black communion" ceremony. Pages 105-107


full article, with many others

This article even covers the fact that John Quincy Adams, who was President of the United States of America, staunchy opposed freemasonry as so many do to this day. He even formed the "anti-masonic party".


"Freemasonry is deceptive and fraudulent...Its promise is light—its performance is darkness." -President John Quincy Adams

"Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong—essentially wrong—a seed of evil, which can never produce any good." -President John Quincy Adams

Masonry's Use of the Bible in their little Satanic clubhouses: Adams warned that the Lodge’s use of the Bible should, to a trained Christian, raise red flags. “If the candidate has been educated to a sincere and heart-felt reverence for religion and the Bible, and if he exercises his reason, he knows that all the tales of Jachin and Boaz, of Solomon’s Temple, of Hiram Abiff and Jubela, Jubelo and Jubeluem, are impostures–poisons poured into the perennial fountain of truth–traditions exactly resembling those reprobated by Jesus Christ, as making the word of God on none effect.”


William Cooper warned that a mason will lie about any and everything just to keep up the facade of the benevolent charitable organization. That is why I personally feel freemasonry is the ultimate lie, because it slowly tricks otherwise good men into worshiping satan, or lucifer, or baal, or whatever word you want to use.

I think people should be more vocal in their communities in trying to get the word out. Write your local news every day to cover the story of the Jesters and sex trafficking.

Or ask them to cover this recent news story

A week after joining Prince Hall masonry in Harlem, New York, an actor from the TV series Ugly Betty killed his own mother with a masonic sword because he said she had a demon inside of her. To any sane individual, the person who had the demon put inside of him was the murderer. He even talks in an interview about how a mason "cursed" him at the lodge.

I weep for these horrendous crimes and wish for nothing but love and harmony in the world. I strongly encourage everyone to read the links I have provided and to try to educate those around you about the dangers of occultism.


although I am very anti secret society this does'nt ring true.

Ive been doing a load of research lately and it looks like the word Jesus actually means Anti-Christ.

There is not one mention according to the historians who have gone through the proofs and manuscripts of that time of any person called Jesus. there are references to John the baptist and pontus pilot who was a Roman governor and there were guys who were going around starting up the new religion christianity such as Luke but unlike Amos of Tekoa who was the first biblical prophet in 800 BC whose manuscripts still survive today there is no-one called Jesus or any manuscripts relating to him.

So I can only deduce that Jesus is a made up character used by the Egyptians or even the Jews (as the old testament is Jewish) to count, control and then sacrifice us as Mary and Joseph were allegedly going to Bethlehem to sign the first census in the common era and MIN is the Fertility God of the Egyptians and was fused to mean Amen. also the bible must of been written by someone with another agenda to make up jesus and then rewrite it the 16th century including loads of prophecies and end of times which started on the 22nd june and looks to be set to kill 6.6 billion of us as a sacrifice

You also need to understand how the Occultists use Numerology and using base 9 and base 10 mathematics JESUS equates to 619 13. which essentially means fall of man at the hands of the Anti-christ.



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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A word from an honored 33 degree Mason about the importance of your symbols.



"The philosophic power of Freemasonry lies in its symbols, its priceless heritage form the Mystery schools of antiquity."

(Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, p.578, 2003, original edition 1928).




The arcana of the ancient Mysteries were never revealed to the profane except through the media of symbols. Symbolism fulfilled the dual office of concealing the sacred truths from the uninitiated and revealing them to those qualified to understand the symbols.
— Manly P. Hall; The Secret Teachings of all Ages


Perhaps a bit more studying would unveil the mysteries of Masonry of you which you have been revealed?



posted on Jul, 2 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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One Brother's opinion, but not the only one.
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posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Dear original poster. You are stating in your post that freemasonry is a religion. You are also stating that freemasonry should be condemned and ostracized in communities throughout your usa.

Is this a correct summation of what you are implying?















Your usa constitution protects the free right to practice whatever religion you choose.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Of course I have been raised to the Sublime degree of Master Mason, and Royal Arch Mason, and Cryptic Mason, and Knight Templar, and 32nd Degree AASR.

But hey, if you know more as a non-mason feel free to interject.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by emsed1
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Of course I have been raised to the Sublime degree of Master Mason, and Royal Arch Mason, and Cryptic Mason, and Knight Templar, and 32nd Degree AASR.

But hey, if you know more as a non-mason feel free to interject.


Then why bother denying what is plainly presented to the public through symbolism?

Freemasonry: Its Hidden Measning
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...


ancient secret doctrine and symbolism which is concealed in masonic allegory and symbolism, it was but to preserve these truths for future generations that masonry was perpetuated

Geroge H Steinmetz



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 01:10 PM
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OF COURSE WE TEACH WITH SYMBOLS!

Is that what you are talking about?

The reason symbols are used is that they are more powerful than words.

The fallacy is to assume a symbol means the same thing from one person to another. They are only signposts and each person has to glean their own understanding from them.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Interesting then that through the ages they these symbols have been attributed common meaning then.

Assign meaning to them as you will for your self, however they have been shown to have a common thread since antiquity.

Remold the clay with all your might, it is still clay.



posted on Jul, 3 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Interesting then that through the ages they these symbols have been attributed common meaning then.
Really? Do you have an example? Or are you just saying that?






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