Masonry, the ultimate lie (keep the discourse civil please)

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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by GardenParty
Emsed do you have any examples of anyone on ATS calling for masons to "be killed"?
Sometimes they get censored by the mods for violation of terms & conditions. Sometimes they don't.

I started a thread about it a few years back.




posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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You didn't include any examples of it in your years old thread either. Just shocking phrases in quotations. Not a single time has anyone said any of these things on ATS. No one wants anyone to die.

Personally, I want everyone to LIVE TO THE FULLEST. It is a serious cause for concern that you guys are leveling these serious allegations at other members.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 12:41 AM
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Josh quoted what was said, and linked to the posts. They were removed for extreme T&C violations, but it is clear from the responses that followed that threats were made. I have also seen posts that were threatening here on ATS from time to time. Fortunately, most anti-Masons here, don't take it to such extremes.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by GardenParty
Not a single time has anyone said any of these things on ATS.


Really?


Originally posted by USAisSatanic
masons= s c u m who should be shot at sight .


That was in this thread, the poster had the threat removed but not before it was requoted for posterity.


Originally posted by topsecretombomb
i think the masons are EVIL AND SHOULD BE DECAPITATED.


Same thread, first page.

This happens with some regularity.






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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 05:59 AM
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If you use the correct protocols, you will see that there is not much LoVE on these boards. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. But I can see how you might not get it, being new and all.
and again, welcome to ATS!



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Back on topic:

I have been looking for a good reference that can be shown to those with questions about what masons do an believe. I've found a great publication, which is the guide to Etiquette and Protocol of the GL of Virginia.

This is an official document handed down by the Grand Lodge that directs masons in that jurisdiction on how to behave.

Here is a quote that I think satisfies questions and applies universally:




PART ONE - MASONIC BEHAVIOR

Pertaining to God and Religion

The Constitutions of Masonry require us to observe the moral law. Masons do not follow in the irreligious paths of an atheist or agnostic. We firmly believe in God and worship Him as the great Architect of the Universe. Masons are to be good men and true - men of honor, integrity, and honesty; we vigorously reject all forms of bigotry. It is our duty to follow that golden rule, of "Doing to all men as we would have all men do unto us and those we love."

Pertaining to the Civil Government

Freemasons, since time immemorial, were taught to be lawful and concerned citizens of the place where they lived or worked. Today, we are admonished to be well informed, obedient to the civil powers, and mindful of the welfare of our country and our community. Freemasons are lovers of peaceful dignity. But, a Mason is never to shut his ear to just complaints. When a Brother, or any member of the human family, is oppressed or suffers, he is called to take appropriate action, according to his capacity.

Pertaining to Private Qualities and Duties A Freemason should avoid intemperance or excess, which might obstruct the performance of his duties, or lead him to actions that would stain his honor and reflect dishonor on the Fraternity. He is to practice the virtues of patience and forbearance, which give him command over his actions. What leisure his labors allow should be employed in studying the seven liberal arts and sciences in order to better perform his duties to his Creator, his country, his neighbor, and himself.

It is the truly indispensable character of a Master Mason, "to walk humbly in the sight of God, to do justice, and love mercy." Freemasons promote warmth, love and service. It is mandatory to learn to abstain from malice, slander, evil-speaking, backbiting, and unmannerly, scornful, provoking, reproachful and ungodly language.



Remember, these are MANDATES for masons in Virginia, and this is an official document. There should be no surprise here, but it hardly sounds nefarious.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by GardenParty
Network Dude are you going to bring up my previous banned account all the time? I am in communication with the mods over these matters and I would implore you to act upon your line of "masonry makes good men better" by ending the childish pokes, quips and insults. I did not receive an IP or Mac address ban because I am still a valued contributor, but from what I understand the story is much different for people who engage in ad hominem attacks and personal insults over a long period of time.
It's really not. I once documented one user who'd been banned at least 8 times, yet still kept coming back spilling the same anti-Masonic bile again and again. He never seemed to learn his behavior was unwanted on ATS, and never got the message that he really didn't belong here.

Maybe you'll take the clue easier?



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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When your cable company puts you on hold, you get bored.

When you get bored, you let homeless guys named Bill into your house for dinner.

When you let homeless guys named Bill into your house for dinner, you believe you are the Parakletos.

When you believe you are the Parakletos, you think that you can cure cancer with battery acid.

When you think you can cure cancer with battery acid, you create a bunch of accounts on ATS saying you can cure cancer with battery acid.

When you create a bunch of accounts on ATS saying you can cure cancer with battery acid, you're Steve Svenson.


Don't be Steve Svenson.

Get Direct TV.
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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No problem Protocols. I just wanted you to drop the charade of " I just got here!"
I like having adult conversation, as long as everyone acts like an adult.



Originally posted by GardenParty
Wish I could have come into this thread sooner....
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by emsed1


For example, Jesus tried for 33 years to tell the world what was really going on. He was sent by God to show us the Truth. But, just like many before and many after, he was murdered in the most horrific manner possible.


Since you reference Jesus.... Please inform us why Christian masons are continually on this board stating that Masonry is compatable with Christianity, yet the religion of Freemasonry teaches that salvation is obtainable by Muslim Freemasons, Jewish Freemasons, Budddhist Freemasons - in direct opposition as stated clearly in the Bible that they say that they revere?


You see it here in this forum. Calls for killing masons or taking action against us. The thing is Freemasons WON'T reveal the secrets.


Scouring the forums, it's Masons that state their hatred against fundamental Christians. Always. Why would supposedly Christian Masons do such a thing to their Christian brethren that they are told to love in their very own Bible? See my first response - they deny the only name given under Heaven by which men must be saved. To a non-Christian, the repercussion is unknown. To a Christian, it is that they deny the Son therefore they deny the Father. They are therefore like their Jewish fathers whom, to this day, make a convert twice the child of Hell by withholding salvation through lies.



I haven't the slightest fear of ever being harmed by another Freemason. I do, though, fear that I would be hunted down and killed if I ever tried to communicate the secrets by those who would feel threatened by them.

Doesn't it make you wonder why governments and churches operate behind closed doors at the higher levels and only spoon feed you enough information to keep you scared enough to obey?

Churches and governments have a vested interest in keeping information from you. Freemasons don't. We could care less if you believe us or join us or even think of us. Look to those in power and see if they can say the same.


Your statement would have relevance except for one major fact - most of those in high government and our churches ARE FREEMASONS. And because they operate in secret, the fruit of secrecy exposes them.


I suppose we might all agree that lies and truth are relative. But when you think you've found something TRUE you have to give it the smell test.


Can you not smell the stench of the coming one world religion coming, as promoted by Freemasonry lies "that all people in all faiths actually revere the same god? Every single religion is acceptable to Freemasons and the elite EXCEPT true fundamental Christianity. Why? Because they all deny Jesus as THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life. Lies and truth are relative?. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would declare otherwise. God is Truth - He certainly isn't "relative".. And you know who scripture declares as the "father of lies" -Satan. Those that worship Him produce HIS FRUIT - lies, deceptions, murder. Masons lie and deceive. Is their father the God of truth or the father of lies? Any Mason coming onto these boards declaring that Christianity is compatable with Masonry are outright deceiving those who don't know any better.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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why are you here? Why is it that masons are the direction of your efforts? Are all other groups out of the realm of your saving? Are we the last stronghold?

I can say that I have been very vocal about your group, but I don't hate you. I do wish you would find somewhere else to preach, but you are a person who (however misguided) has good intentions.

Here is the deal, Freemasonry isn't a religion. That is why many masons go to CHURCH as well as lodge. Some don't. If you feel certain that freemasonry is a religion and it's members are damned to hell because they don't try to shove little bits of Jesus Christ down every non Christian members throat, then that is exactly what it is to you. Accept that an move on.

You think you are right, and I think you are wrong. We are at an empass. I will not be changing my mind. Any mason here is free to change his mind and jump on your bandwagon at any time, but seeing as how what you preach is 180 degrees from what Freemasonry teaches, I wouldn't hold my breath. God bless you. May the Spirit of Jesus Christ be in your heart. May you one day live LIKE Jesus. And may you please preach elsewhere.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by WhoKnows100


Can you not smell the stench of the coming one world religion coming, as promoted by Freemasonry lies "that all people in all faiths actually revere the same god? Every single religion is acceptable to Freemasons and the elite EXCEPT true fundamental Christianity. Why? Because they all deny Jesus as THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life. Lies and truth are relative?. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would declare otherwise. God is Truth - He certainly isn't "relative".. And you know who scripture declares as the "father of lies" -Satan. Those that worship Him produce HIS FRUIT - lies, deceptions, murder. Masons lie and deceive. Is their father the God of truth or the father of lies? Any Mason coming onto these boards declaring that Christianity is compatable with Masonry are outright deceiving those who don't know any better.


We always fear what we don't understand.

Unless you choose the more difficult path and try to learn about those things that frighten you, try to gather enough information to make an informed, rational decision about an issue.

I will tell you what I fear... having everyone live under the same dogma because they are 'forced' to with no thoughts of freedom or ability to escape, which is very much in line with most of fundamental Christianity.

Most.
Not all.

Organized religion that oppresses its followers just as much as those of different beliefs is evil. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Scouring the forums, it's Masons that state their hatred against fundamental Christians. Always. Why would supposedly Christian Masons do such a thing to their Christian brethren that they are told to love in their very own Bible?


I can only offer my opinion.

While I do not hate anyone I fear fundemental Christians (and all other fundementalists) because they always happen to be the most intolerant, hypocritical, judemental and bigoted people I encounter. They should be more worried about cleaning their own house then worrying about mine.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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You're getting a lot of stars for that. We love the Direct TV Commercials. I love the one that says: "Dont have a grandson with a mohawk"
And thats the second time today I typed the word mohawk. Weird.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by karen61057
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You're getting a lot of stars for that. We love the Direct TV Commercials. I love the one that says: "Dont have a grandson with a mohawk"
And thats the second time today I typed the word mohawk. Weird.


I''ve got some bad news for you. Being the head of subliminal messaging in my district, I can say with authority that you secretly want to dance naked on the deck of a cruise ship during the lunch hour. (code word mohawk)
Try to use discretion on any vacations in the next few weeks.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
I''ve got some bad news for you. Being the head of subliminal messaging in my district, I can say with authority that you secretly want to dance naked on the deck of a cruise ship during the lunch hour. (code word mohawk)
Try to use discretion on any vacations in the next few weeks.
I know I'm good and NLP and Mad Photoshop Skillz, but if that's the prognosis, it may be the first time a photo of stompk has ever inspired naked dancing. As far as I know, at least. I may need a second opinion from Augie on this one.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Freemasonry doesn't teach salvation, it says that it is hoped that you would be found in the Hereafter. Since we talk of equality, how would it look to say, "you're allowed to be a member of our group, but you're going to Hell because you're not Christian"? Plus, the same could be said of the other religions, of Christians going to Hell or whatever you would call them.

If you actually do read through the forums, it has been documented that Freemasons have been not only scourned or mocked (like what we do), but threatened with imprisonment or death for simply being a Freemason. Hell, one of my first experiences was dealing with this lady who called me all sorts of names (pedophile, scum, and so forth) and she was finally banned because she went way overboard with her attacks. Many of the more violent ones have been taken off the board, but some of them have stayed or members have saved them for posterity. I mock my fellow "christians" because their sanctimonious bull# and self-righteousness call for it. I don't deny God and Christ, I deny the militant, supposed "christians" shallow words who are usually nothing more than bullies.

Can you actually name who in our government is a Freemason (to include dates of intiation and Lodge number). Name the preachers who you think are Freemasons. Plus, even if they are, who cares? If you had not known that they were a Mason, you would probably love the message they preached, but if you had known you'd condemn the same sermon they gave. It's a stupid bigotry you hold.

Where is it promoted? I'd like to see a brochure for this.

I know tolerance is something fanatics, the ignorant, and tyrants despise. The militants who have hijacked Christianity have taken the compassion from the religion and have tainted it. Luckily there are those of us who are not swayed by the wolves in sheep's clothing claiming to followers of the merciful God, but yet spew poison with every word. To a weaker constitution, one might just walk away from Christianity because of your kinds' bullyish tactics, but I will not falter.

I have been honest and never deceived. Maybe mocked, but I've never lied to you. I'd say from the information you have posted against us would either make you a liar or really ignorant. You choose.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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It's not Freemasonry that claims salvation for everyone, it's Christianity.

If you would actually READ the Bible, read the words of Jesus and the Apostles (and not that lying bastard King James, or Constantine) you would see that SALVATION IS FOR EVERYONE.

Jesus said he came to save the world. Every knee will bow, etc etc.

The distinction between Christians and non-Christian salvation wasn't even a concept until 400 years AFTER Christ's death when it was conveniently inserted into the dogma by Augustine.

What you've been told about fundamental/evangelical/conservative "Christianity" is a lie, perpetrated by deceivers.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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That's right, masonry claims salvation for 29.99 a month. Salvation and godliness through worship of the intellect.

I, for one, am very happy to adhere to Jesus' teachings of salvation and love for EVERYONE. Jesus did not secret his teachings away in code nor did he ask for tithing and servitude in order to reveal these teachings.





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