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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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Not to sidetrack the thread, but what do you mean by pro-American?

I am curious to how a non-American like yourself classifies American compared to an American like myself. From what I have seen, when a non-American talks about the things they don't like about (the United States of) America it is the same things many Americans have issue with and are at odds with the principles of the nations founding and its constitution.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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Tusen takk. I love it when people can respectfully disagree with one another. In no way do I believe that my ideology is correct 100%. God bless you.

MVH,
Josef



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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Thank you for your voicing. In Skandinavia, we see (at least we think we do), that no matter whom is president, they are a warlord and defy the people´s rights. I could very well be wrong, but I personally believe that Amerikans have less right than the people would have in a pure communist society. I could very well be wrong. If I am, please educate me. Tusen takk.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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Nice try. Cuba is not communist. Do some research. I laugh, only because you made yourself look like a fool. lol
edit on 6/12/2012 by brukernavn because: I misspelt fool. Go ahead and make fun of me.




posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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I can't say I know anything about Johnny Cash's upbringing in Dyess Arkansas. I do know the general background on the town, and its creation in the second quarter of the 20th century under a works program.

I don't know if it was a truly communist local government set up, but even if it was, it would seem to support my claim that such a system only works on the small scale of a village for survival.


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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:10 AM
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I'm a socialist


The basic idea behind communism which is, everyone is equal no matter what race, gender, or what job you have, is good. However most people on this site look at the now defunct USSR when they hear the term "Communism". There's a lot of misinformation about left wing politics, thanks to the neo-cons relying on fear mongering and smear campaigns to turn people against political systems that would benefit the general population instead of Corporations.

You see examples of that every day on this site, neo-cons complain about welfare and their taxes going towards feeding hungry Americans, but yet the majority of them support corporate tax cuts.
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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:10 AM
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I agree with you 100%. Communism can ONLY work with a small population.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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You are absolutely correct. I will come out and say these things now. Now is as good a time as ever. I apologize if my English is not the best, but remember, it is my second language. I am against abortion. I believe that life is created at conception. I agree with most amerikan so called conservative thinking. It is all lies, though. Most would call me a "left-winger". Tusen takk for your input and your support.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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I think that there is a degree of truth to you claim, but I think you have fallen victim to the same oversimplification and generalization that plague many Americans and actually all people.

The US system is comprised of 3 branches that are supposed to keep each other in check. Over time, they have learned how to manipulate each other, or work together for political gain.

Without getting into the details of it all, the problem is people. The best laid system is easily corrupted once people get in and want more power, more wealth more whatever. It can corrupt communism, a democracy, a theocracy a monarch and it can corrupt a republic.

Being an American, I am going to be biased, but having reviewed all the governing systems of the world, on paper, the American system is the best. I quantify best as being what gives people the most freedom.

We have a situation here in America where few if any of the people like the state we are in, or the direction we are going. However, there seems to be a split, as to which path we should be on. I personally agree with the group that wants less government and more freedom. I can understand how some can want more government and more restrictions. I just don't understand how, when those systems are already in existence in other nations, why would they want to change the US into that.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by brukernavn
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Nice try. Cuba is not communist. Do some research. I laugh, only because you made yourself look like a fool. lol
edit on 6/12/2012 by brukernavn because: I misspelt fool. Go ahead and make fun of me.



Excuse me?
Cuba is not a Communist State is that what you said?
You're criticizing someone else for your mistake!
Here read it for yourself.

The Communist Party of Cuba (Spanish: Partido Comunista de Cuba, PCC) is the governing political party in Cuba. It is a communist party of the Marxist-Leninist model. The Cuban constitution ascribes the role of the Party to be the "leading force of society and of the state".


The Communist party remains the only recognized political party in Cuba. Other parties, though not illegal, are unable to campaign or conduct any activities on the island that could be deemed counter-revolutionary.

en.wikipedia.org...

And By The Way,,, I was born and raised a Communist, Not the best way to live.
Water, food, electricity and even the days of the week you could bath are all regulated by the State.
I didn't see my first Black & White T V until 1987 and it was built by one of our neighbors in are apartment building with our Community Kitchen and Community Bathroom for the building.

You have No Idea, We were the Educated Class of Chinese, Both my parents were University Professors.

I will not go on about my life in China, All I will say is, Thank You to my husband and America, I am now an American Citizen and will Vote For The First Time This November and it will Not Be For Obama.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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I once joined a witches group in college.
(I was looking for babes
)

It worked, but I was never really into it.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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I agree with you on your premise 100%. I hate to do this, but I will now quote a stupid chain-mail letter from my grandmother.

"In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the
University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the
Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always
temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous
gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority
always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from
the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a
dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200
years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

I will give another quote by Karl Marx. "Democracy is the road to socialism."

Another great quote by Karl Marx is, "I am not a Marxist."



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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So funny. You were not raised a communist. Communism does not regulate. It is so sad, the disinformation...



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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Just because a communist party exists does not mean that the state is communist. Is the US Republican? It must be, according to your logic. If the party exists in a country, it must be lock in step that party, right? Get a life. Hahahahahaha. Du er for jævlig morsomt.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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Just because a communist party exists does not mean that the state is communist. Is the US Republican? It must be, according to your logic. If the party exists in a country, it must be lock in step that party, right? Get a life. Hahahahahaha. Du er for jævlig morsomt.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Double post. Beklager.
I know I sounded like a hard-ass, but I truly mean no disrespect to anybody. I encourage political discourse.



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by brukernavn
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So funny. You were not raised a communist. Communism does not regulate. It is so sad, the disinformation...

Ever heard of the One Child Policy?
As of now, you will be Ignored, You Don't Know The First Thing About Communism.

I'm More Incline To Believe You're Trolling.
To be Called A Liar By A Wannabe Communist Who Does Not Have The Slightest Idea Of Communism and What Countries Are Communist,,,, You're A Troll!



posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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When I think of Communism I think about the whole "Guns don't kill people, People kill people!" argument.

There has never been a true 100% Communist country, ever. Communism is a political system that is used by corrupt individuals in order to have tighter control over everything. So in reality, the only examples of Communism we've seen throughout History give us a clear picture of the things that CAN go wrong with Communism.

Communism is used to control individuals
Capitalism is used to enslave Countries

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:39 AM
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Nice thread. Good to know someone else on ATS understands what communism actually is.

Most people only know what they have been told by their state school and media. Which is mostly a bastardization of Marxism. You mentioned the transition period, that has been taken out of context and used as the definition of socialism. Those who have never read Marx fall for this.

Also of course all the cold war propaganda, where the actions of the USSR suddenly became the definition of communism. But of course in reality the USSR was never communist. They used the term politically, not as a description of their economic system. You could argue they were in the transitional period of nationalism, but like a lot of socialists I expect any transitional period to fail anyway.

"Liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." Mikhail Bakunin, Anarchist Collectivist

Bakunin was Marx's most ardent opposition when they were both members of the International Working Men’s Association. Marx campaigned to have Bakunin expelled from the IWMA and succeeded.

Marxism is not socialism/communism, it is a political path to socialism and then communism. Not all socialists supported the political path and wanted direct action, revolution, they called themselves Anarchists...

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posted on Jun, 12 2012 @ 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by guohua

Ever heard of the One Child Policy?
As of now, you will be Ignored, You Don't Know The First Thing About Communism.


He's got a point. The One Child Policy has absolutely nothing to do with communism. Communism is an economic model, nothing more.

China has never really been a true communist state, no major countries in recent history have.






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