Just saw Prometheus, Indoctrination?

We have been taught since childhood to examine an author's work for the meanings that are not always blatant.
1984 and brave new world come to mind of the top..lord of the flies.....

This sort of discussion is very traditional and on this thread I think a very interesting discussion ..
considering many here agree the Alien predator series to be one of the best done sci fi franchises ever

Just saw it, same us against evil verses good, it was entertaining but lacked any revelation as suggested int eh op.

For me personally, it reeked of the same dialog Christians are having to justify interest in Extraterrestrial life forms and Christ without guilt.

Demons and malevolent aliens.

Fallen ET and Demons.

Whats the difference when the agenda is to make all ET out to be diabolical and anti-humanbeing.

Movie sucked!

Seems there are a few ATS members that disagree.

This is another thread on it-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I find it hard to believe that ANYONE could think this movie was above average.

I want to explain both how 'Prometheus' affirms and clashes with my set of beliefs. I'm not going to defend them to anyone, but I just want to put this out there both for the consumption of the general public and as a way of digesting the movie I just saw. I will say this though: I believe this film constitutes disclosure from the world's ruling powers (albeit in an indirect way). If anyone believes it to be simple entertainment that's fine with me. Kindly scroll to the next comment and carry on!

First of all, I agree with the premise put forth in the movie that we were created by humanoid extraterrestrials using genetic material, and that these beings were created by what we have come to know as God. I also agree with the fact that, for some reason, humans are being targeted by these creators for extinction.

Beyond that, I take issue with the agenda behind this movie. We are lead to believe that humans are simply the byproduct of an experiment, and that these aliens, (all grouped together under one umbrella), are malicious and destructive. They created us on a whim and they will also destroy us forever, just because they can.

As an alien believer, it is my feeling that not all of these beings are the same. I believe that there are many different races, some which we would consider to be "good" and some "evil". To group them all together and then paint them all as evil reeks of an agenda. While some may indeed be as malicious and destructive as those about whom 'Prometheus' is written, there still may be others who are in every way their foil. They may not be warm and affectionate, (in fact, they may seem to us cold and uncaring), but that does not make them evil. I believe it was a group like this that nurtured this planet and seeded it with life. I also believe that they have quietly seen to its growth as well as ours over the course of our 10,000 or so years. (Or however many it has been.) I think of these beings as sort of benevolent scientists.

These benevolent aliens may in fact wish to wipe out the human race. Sounds absolutely nutty doesn't it? How can a benevolent force also be destructive? 'Prometheus' tackles this idea and gives the audience every indication that they are just mean and hateful. When the alien was awoken from his sleep he did not wish to communicate with David or explain things. He just went into full-on rage mode and ripped his robot head off!

Once again, I strongly disagree with the implications of both this particular scene and the movie as a whole. I suggest that the benevolent beings, who are constantly monitoring our progress and separate altogether from those shown in this film, see our war-like ways, and how we are oppressed by secret tyrants, and wish to help. In order to do so they could repopulate the world with more highly evolved versions of 'human'. In essence, they want to create a new model free of some of the flaws which have plagued us over the past few millenia -- not wipe us off the map forever. (Now, we could of course get in to the question of why we were created in such a flawed way in the first place. I could not even begin to answer that question.) This theory still allows for the extermination spoken of in Prometheus, but flips the script on the reasoning behind it. A human body with upgraded mental and spiritual capacity would serve as a great aid in the quest for humanity to reach a higher trajectory than the one we are currently on. There is a saying that "history repeats itself". Perhaps that does not have to be the case forever.

Imagine a future for humanity free of a corrupt ruling class that controls all the planets' resources.. a brave new world in which a more natural order consistent with wisdom and love could rise up spontaneously. Am I starting to sound like John Lennon? Sorry. I would give my life to see that future realized. (Of course, I'm a strong believer in an afterlife, so that may be quite a bit more difficult for someone with an atheistic viewpoint.) Given the obvious power of these beings and their desire to help, this would seem to be an extreme but helpful way to aid humanity in a long term way.

While there is, in my belief, truth in 'Prometheus', that truth has been corrupted in such a way as to benefit the elite. They would seem to want us to rise up against these scientist aliens who truly do care in their own way about the future of the human race and of this planet. These ruling elite know that such a scenario would mean an end to the strangle hold they have over the Earth's people and resources. Perhaps they are not inherently evil, but they greatly fear loss of power. They may believe they are protecting and seeing to the growth of humanity, but they are only holding us back.

reply to post by NoRemorse762


Have read through the responses in this thread, and well.....your question posed in the title is moot.

"Indoctrination"? No, absolutely not.....and a bit of extra-curricular reading (that means, outside of ATS, on "Prometheus" blogs) will confirm this. The director, Ridley Scott, although coy as the release of the film neared, nevertheless early-on set out to produce a sort of prequel to his 1979 "Alien" flick. Along the way, his storyline changed (as often happens when a script concept is being fleshed out). Likely there were contributions, and ideas, offered by other people in a collaborative creative effort. Also the way many such motion pictures develop.

ALL the fore-going in order to produce an enticing film and "hopefully" make back the investment (somewhere around $130 Million, USD) and return a profit as well. After seeing the film, I suspect it might not bring in the required revenues, as were expected.

The LOST writer seems to have sewn more confusion, interesting that an anagram of his name is the Demon of all Din...

Now how would a Demon that creates noisy confusion fit into indoctrination?

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I could have included you in my post about the writer of Prometheus given your response.

reply to post by NoRemorse762


It's just a movie, and not even a good one ...

I think what's happened is that there is an alien that is captive at Area-51 that writes these movies, just to soften us up. He probably drinks beer, and smokes cigarettes, and swears a lot! Oh wait, that was Paul. Never Mind.

People need at least watch the original Alien to understand a little of whats going on, I give the movie a solid 7 out of 10, now about the ploth holes again you need to see alien first. Riddle Scott has mention lots of times that this movie and posible series will not deal entirely on the xenomorphs, they are just a small thing in the series (if they ever come with another movie)-

The next comes with spoilers if you haven seen the movie dont read.

Yes the movies somtimes need more explanation, but my only guess is that Riddle didnt want to give everything and explain everything on this movie, just the first encounter and what happens, of course he maybe is looking for a franchise and milk some money out of it, who would not do that?. The first is the space jockey suicide, the hole here is what he do it? was a pushed? on purpose? free will? who knows really or was the only way to seed life on other planets to have intellegent life you need another intellegent life to bring it or give it, who knows. If people dont know the facehugers you should know are that little bad things that hugs your face and it implantates an embryo, david is the only character with means (i guess by waylands orders) to do this, the face hugers is born from the scientist, the only explanation i give to grow to big is because we did have same dna from the space jockeys, the tghing grow big she notice that opens the door and it gets the space jockey and implanted and on egg on him that would become a queen alien, now the rest is expeculation, the space jockey returns to his ship, cant repair it and or before he can go out with it the queen is born from his chest, he dies on the cocpit, the aliens need some humid place and the queen goes low in the ship where the face is and lay facehuger eggs , dies without any food to sustain it or live sometime and dies, the eggs lay there close to the face never disturbed until the nostromo ship (alien, aka riple ship is send there) some years later.

Now about Predators on this franchise i guess thats a NO, the comics and books are something but in reality both franchise were close together to make some money and see what happen and you know the AVP experiment movies were mediocre at best, I dont think Riddle have the guts of will to put predators in his alien and prometheus universe, so dont expect to see predators on the next prometheus movies if they ever do sequels, the thing will be humans and space jockeys all the way and separate from Alien and Aliens movies.

If they ever try to do a very good AVP movie they should let James cameron do it, that would be a blast and a great reboot for that series, he knows action and i would love to see the colonial marines plus predators in space against Aliens.

Isn't predetermined as this is a prequel to Alien that the aliens in this are the bad guys?

There is one common theme in all of our movies, we humans love conflict. People won't go see a movie were humans trash the earth to the point to extinction and then helpful aliens clean it up for us.

We are already on the galactic map, if they ETs wanted us gone we would not be here now.

The only thing this movie does is sell fear porn which says more about us than aliens.

I'm personally not going to see this because I'm tired of the whole bad alien thing. We are just projecting our own darkside onto ETs, the movie came from human minds, if you want something to fear it's the humans.

In my opinion, this movie (like many others) shows what we can expect if private sector controls space exploration. Part where science is used for personal/corporate gain, and in my opinion does show quite well how brutal humans can be.

As for aliens in movie, it is unclear who and why created all those species, nor is clear why they like to eliminate their creation. True, it looks just like move from 'Rise of the planet of the Apes' where all subjects get killed after one of them gets out of control.

Now, let's for a sec believe that what we saw in movie really happened. Would our creator be happy watching us kill each other trough history. Would any of our galactic 'neighbors' want race with so bloody history and would they encourage us to become next space explorer or try to prevent us from injuring more then our solar system?

Check this out:

www.prometheus-movie.com...

Are there 7 worlds on the Star Map Shaw and Holloway find on Earth?

Under Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism

en.wikipedia.org...

Speaking of movie, things that bothers me at most of since fiction movies, for example, spaceship comes in orbit and proceeds to land without even trying to figure out where to land. In any scientific expedition, there should be first set of satellites that would cover whole planet/moon, looking for possible landing sites, looking for possible signs of civilization and for any structures, resources of given planet/moon.

I know, it's only movie, but I would really like it to be more believable...

Originally posted by SuperFrog
Speaking of movie, things that bothers me at most of since fiction movies, for example, spaceship comes in orbit and proceeds to land without even trying to figure out where to land. In any scientific expedition, there should be first set of satellites that would cover whole planet/moon, looking for possible landing sites, looking for possible signs of civilization and for any structures, resources of given planet/moon.

I know, it's only movie, but I would really like it to be more believable...

I agree! Finding the key spot they need to land straight up is a howler!

SPOILER ALERT

There are many problems with Prometheus. The characters are not developed, their motivations largely unknown, their choices are often poor/outright stupid. The film screams that it was having major rewrites all the way. And it largely went for the LOST-style twist/shock, rather than building a cohesive narrative. Noomi looked confused, we never really knew her boyfriend and what was android David up to? The ability to sprint immediately after major abdominal surgery was jarring. The addition to the Alien mythos is equally confusing.

Having said that, it is enjoyable - some beautiful landscapes at the start and a striking opening scene. There are some iconic scenes. It certainly is nowhere near as disappointing as the the Star Wars prequels. It is a soup of a plot, but a pretty enjoyable soup.

One thing that struck me - as the ship was about to land - the place of interest looked like the 'man in the boat' - the clitoris! Did anyone else see this (or do I need a girlfriend?) Added to my thought was the long line running down from it along the ground.

I am interested in any message being given by the moon called LV-223. Does that break down to anything significant, numerically? The 'L' and the 'V' could be translated to numbers - either by their numerical position in the English alphabet or by assigning to them their roman numeral equivalent.

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I dont mind if its slow, because by watchign the trailer, i know im gonna like the movie, it just looks plain awesome, but thanks for the warning :p i dont actually like movies that over do the gore and action

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Basing story line on something past or present is not the same as warning us about something secret or indoctrination.

I loved the 'seat' in the movie very much, reminded me of the Stargate Atlantis chair. The whole free revolving 3D computerized program interests me as I see that as part of our near future technology.

But why is it that in movies that holographic technology gives the actor a sense of bliss? Could it be that the technology will come with effects which heighten our senses or touch to the very core of our connectedness to the vast whole?

I REALLY wanted to see Annunaki the movie! I think this would have had a much better plt line and more what the benevolent alien loving movie goers would have been wanting to see. To me that is why it was cancelled, they did not want people to feel a connection to the mystery.

Here is an interesting overview: warning language might be considered for some.

Prometheus in a nutshell
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net...

You think ridley scott knows something we dont?