Documents prove Obama was member of socialist New Party... (see for yourself)

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by beezzer

 

If I knew that something was true and damaging to Obama...I wouldn't really be up for keeping it visible.

But when such garbage like the OP is recycled from 2008...I'm more than happy to keep the discussion going to see how far Obama haters will go to attempt to twist and distort the truth.

It's also a good example of how Obama haters contradict themselves and displays their gulibility for propaganda...evident by those in this thread who are afraid of words.

I like how you only acknowledge the things you want to in this thread though and ignore it when people point out where are have been blatantly wrong and you set there and boast like you have won something. The bottom line of this thread is that he joined that party. You even posted the proof of it yourself and then realized it and have been ignoring that last sentence like it doesn't exist when it is clearly there. And you keep bumping the thread because you just cant help yourself. You have a Obama Addiction of some sort. Its almost comical to watch and just the slightest poke of the stick gets you going. Face it, old news or not, its still fact and it came out of his mouth and is clearly on paper in front of you and you still refuse to believe. I suppose the earth is flat too? And the Easter bunny really does crap chocolate eggs? Your only defense is just to keep asking for more and more and more proof and then ignoring it when that proof is posted as if it didnt happen. Why waste our time?

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

You are saying any form of taxation is socialism?

Any program that is paid with public money is a form of socialism.


Are you saying it is capitalism???

When a capitalist society taxes it's citizens, the funds were generated from capitalism. Socialism generates nothing. The act of taxation is not socialism. Monarchys tax their citizens, are you contending every King in the history of the world was really a Socialist and not a King? I bet you will answer yes to that just to be a stickler to a narrowly defined term that has no real meaning in the real world when used the way you are using it here.

I don't understand anybody anymore. Right=left. Democrat =Republican. When will you people understand it's an illusion of choice? Voting for Obama because you didn't want McCain. The stupidity of people amazes me.

Originally posted by Dreine
I admit it, I voted for Obama in '08.

I didn't believe in "Hope" nor "Change", but I did believe that electing McCain = war with Iran, and being in the military at that time and knowing the strain the wars were putting on my brothers and sisters in service.... I could not vote for a warmonger. My wife chides me with this still.

It wasn't until I started seeing Obama's cabinet choices.. and czars... that I began to worry that I had made a mistake. Granted, one vote means nothing, but I felt as if I had been duped. Not by his grandios speeches or rhetoric, but by the system that gave me the lesser of two evils option.

What I find remarkable is the amount of documentation, even novels written by the man himself, that show his leanings, and yet we have people who claim to be anti-Socialist willing to fight for this man. To me, this illustrates the problem with the two-party system... your choices are always 'bad' or 'worse'.

We need a legitimate third party to keep the Big Two in check... someone with more drive than Ron Paul. I like RP, but the problem with him is that he is too self-depricating, I wish he would stick to his guns with more seriousness.

Thanks for posting this, even more solid evidence that our current President is not what he claims to be.

A legitimate 3rd party is fine.....as long as the primary season is treated like any sports playoff tournament...in its use of a bracket system.

Otherwise we end up with a POTUS who only garners possibly as little as 35 percent of the total vote.

When you realize that 33% of the American colonists didn't support the Revolutionary War and wanted to keep allegiance to the King of England...you can see how a 3 party system is not good for the nation.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by coop039

 

It says he signed a "Candidate Contract"...not a "Membership Contract" like some are trying to pass off.

You believe what you want...you go ahead and fall for the "evil socialist" propaganda...I honestly don't care.


But I do love that this is what Obama haters are having to reduce their attacks to...it speaks volumes as to how desperate they are.


BTW...did you know this was all already discussed in 2008??? It failed then...it will fail now.

This reminds me of the Ron Paul Newsletter scandal. They used the same argument you are using now, it was discussed in 2008 so it doesn't matter, please go away we don't want to hear such blasphemy against our messiah etc etc.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Your willful ignorance is really just sad.

The fact that you have to state that you don't care about the post, yet return time and time again to retort with half truths and distortions speaks more then your statements.

The Meeting minutes stated he joined and signed....Let's quote it AGAIN....."Candidate Contract".
Not only that, but the roster from the group states......0bama was a MEMBER.
And the news article titled..............."NEW PARTY MEMBER heads for the Hill", listing him as 1 of 3 MEMBERS that won primaries.



SO.............Still want more?

I think ATS is making you into a masochist. You sure do love getting whooped up on.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Baloney.

Firefighting, police , military... ALL of these things were in existence LONG before Marx ever scored his first vicarious kill.

Just because the word "socialism" wasn't defined yet doesn't mean that those do not fit into the definition.

Not just "the word socialism", but the politicoeconomic concept of Socialism had not even been conceived, much less developed or codified.

You know very well what people are referring to, and instead attempt to "redefine" what they mean to what you would LIKE for them to mean, which is intellectually dishonest and bespeaks an ability to defend the actual issues.

We're not talking about "words" here, however much you would wish it to be so in order for you to have a hope in hell of defending it.

Why are you so scared of the word "socialism"???

Scared? of a WORD? How much farther will you reach when you've no leg to stand on in your defense of the indefensible?

I'm not scared of the words "ninja" or "zombie", either.

Are you less of an American if you admit that you use the socialist highway system or the socialist education system???

What on Earth would possess you to think I partake of either of those? My education was paid for, thanks (that's probably why I know how to use the big words), and there's no way in hell you'd catch me on a highway. Those things are death traps to begin with, and I heard a rumor that you have to have a license to drive on one. Since I don't have a license, there's no need for me to take advantage of the fruits of your socialist worker's paradise.

Originally posted by buster2010

He IS NOT concerned with YOUR best interest.

Care to show me where the capitalist system is concerned with my best interest?

What did I get out of the bailout of wall street and the banks? Nothing

You got another day when the money in your bank account and credit line was still available to you.

You got another day when there was bread and meat in the stores near your home.

You got another day when you didn't have to spend hours in line to get a block of government cheese.

What did I get out of the two wars the last capitalist president started? Nothing

You got 8 years where nobody every exploded a bomb in your neighborhood theater or pizza parlor.

You got 8 years where when your gas light went "on".....all you had to do was go to the first gas station and fill it up.....with perhaps a credit card issued by a bailed out institution.

What did I get out of the tax cuts that were given to the wealthy by the last capitalist president but excluded the poor and middle class? Nothing

47% of Americans of working age, pay ZERO income taxes.

Your buddy Barack says that everybody should pay their fair share. Paying ZERO dollars is not fair, no matter how much you earn.

I really don't see how capitalism has done me or anyone I know any good at all. A person would have to be blind to not see how unregulated capitalism has been a total failure in this country. The Mao comment was funny though maybe now it's time that you learn there are different types of socialism. You know like the ones that work.

You're full of crap. Everywhere socialism has been tried it failed....at the expense sometimes of millions and millions of people being systematically murdered .....for the beliefs.

Eventually, you run out of OPM (other people's money) >See Greece, Spain, Britain, Ireland, California, Detroit and soon-to-see, New York City.

Bazinga my a$$.

Originally posted by Kang69
I don't understand anybody anymore. Right=left. Democrat =Republican. When will you people understand it's an illusion of choice? Voting for Obama because you didn't want McCain. The stupidity of people amazes me.

Tell

me

about

it.

reply to post by DCPatriot


Good point.

There was this socialist leader in China, made everyone turn in thier metal farm tools to be smelted, pack up and go to live in the big cities. That socialist experiment ended with no armies ever engaging but the millions of deaths it caused made many a war pale in comparison.

reply to post by beezzer


I really don't care if Romney is elected.

He was the least dangerous out of all the Republicans.

The biggest threat he posed was repealing Obamacare...but the SCOTUS will decide that. If the SCOTUS deems it constitutional, Romney will look bad trying to repeal it.

Is Obama a socialist?

If by socialist someone belives that government should hand them a free check without doing anything for it then yeah he is.

The difference between capitalism and socialism is that 4 letter word called work.

Obama has been a member of the new party for years and the last 3 and half years prove it.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


You are confusing economic models with governance models.

There can bing socialism under any type of government and yes...there can be taxes in Socialism economic models as well.

Socialism is not a type of government.

Originally posted by diakrite
Bla bla bla, yadda yadda yadda..

And here comes another thread by "concerned citizens" Please, stop this nonsense. It's getting annoying. Jst admit You hate the guy on sight, and don't pretend to be against him on purely political grounds.

You have NO inkling what "socialist " means, You still live with Your head buried firmly in the "there's a Commie under your bed" mindset of the 50's.

I an SICK of the pretentious post that only prove ONE thing to me: A large swath of people do not like his colour.....
Threads like these are insulting, and a waste of space on a site that once was about the curious and the odd, but has transformed into a cess-pit of pure right-wing hatred and pathetic "tough-guy" talk about gun-law and state interference.

Let me be the stereo-typer from the other side, and state that ATS has been taken over by the most unpleasant, vile and stupid part of redneck America.

I am done here, after several years of membership I can only see one thing: There's no curing stupid and hate....

Toodles.

*off to find out if there is a possibility to have my account removed*

Race bating is not an effective form of debate.

Im sure most of us that don't like Obama can give you days..weeks hell even months of information on why we legitimately dont like Obama...

And besides ... hes done it to himself.

reply to post by macman


What primaries did they win???

Was there a "New Party" primary???

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by beezzer

 

I really don't care if Romney is elected.

He was the least dangerous out of all the Republicans.

The biggest threat he posed was repealing Obamacare...but the SCOTUS will decide that. If the SCOTUS deems it constitutional, Romney will look bad trying to repeal it.

No, the people won't wake up one day and say "oh look the SCOTUS says its ok, I am gonna love it now!"
What a crock.
The Majority of the american people do not appreciate that being passed in the dead of night after being told you'll see what it's about after it passes.

reply to post by neo96

The difference between capitalism and socialism is that 4 letter word called work.

The warped view of Socialism in this thread is just sad.

I hope all of you will at some point educate yourselves about what Socialism is...preferably not from Fox News or Glenn Beck.

You should learn economic models from economist...not political commentators.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


SCOTUS will have the final say in the matter.

By the time Romney would be President...too much of the legislation will be in effect for him to kill it without it causing a disaster.

And yes...it was planned that way.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by neo96

 

The difference between capitalism and socialism is that 4 letter word called work.

The warped view of Socialism in this thread is just sad.

I hope all of you will at some point educate yourselves about what Socialism is...preferably not from Fox News or Glenn Beck.

You should learn economic models from economist...not political commentators.

Like what was said earlier .. "Being passed in the middle of the night and we will find out whats in it later....

If thats part of the process to usher in Solcialism .. I want no part of it.