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Documents prove Obama was member of socialist New Party... (see for yourself)

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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by neo96
 



The difference between capitalism and socialism is that 4 letter word called work.




The warped view of Socialism in this thread is just sad.

I hope all of you will at some point educate yourselves about what Socialism is...preferably not from Fox News or Glenn Beck.

You should learn economic models from economist...not political commentators.


The warped view of Socialism in this thread is just sad.

Couid not agree more the past 3 and half years schooled everyone in the do's and don't and the evils of socialism.




posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by beezzer
 


I really don't care if Romney is elected.

He was the least dangerous out of all the Republicans.

The biggest threat he posed was repealing Obamacare...but the SCOTUS will decide that. If the SCOTUS deems it constitutional, Romney will look bad trying to repeal it.


No, the people won't wake up one day and say "oh look the SCOTUS says its ok, I am gonna love it now!"
What a crock.
The Majority of the american people do not appreciate that being passed in the dead of night after being told you'll see what it's about after it passes.


And I will add that I would be that if put to a vote most people would not want this. It does not accurately reflect what the majority of the states or the majority of the people want. We will not get into why it sucks. Everyone will find that out soon enough if it were to get through. However I highly doubt it will ever fully get implemented.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


You are confusing economic models with governance models.

There can bing socialism under any type of government and yes...there can be taxes in Socialism economic models as well.

Socialism is not a type of government.


Socialism is the polar opposite of Capitalism, Wherever socialism flourishes capitalism is branded as the enemy of society and vice versa.
Get real.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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I will say it again. Capitalism is what has made this country what it is. Work for the things you want and you will appreciate them more. Sit back and collect welfare and food stamps and you will not appreciate a damn thing. This society has become more and more dependent on programs that were never meant to be a long term survival method yet have become that. We coddle unions because they are a big voter base and they have become a work force that works half as much as it should for twice the pay. We have so many messed up systems going on and they spread like a virus and since they vote and typically vote Democrat because they give more handouts it is hard to stop it. Any one that tries to stop them usually doesn't get re elected which is why the guy in Wisconsin is getting death threats.

Who do we think we are asking someone to do an honest days work for an honest days pay? We use to be proud of the things we built and they were built with quality. We need to get back to that and Socialism is not the way to do it. Sorry but that is the facts.
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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by macman
 


What primaries did they win???

Was there a "New Party" primary???


I have witnessed the ability of Bill Clinton to redefine terms. And you are NO Bill Clinton.

And geez, let's wipe the drool from the monitor and think for a minute.
What Primary was won, as mentioned in the article release??? I believe 1996 is when Danny Davis won the Democratic Primary. So.......one can put 2 and 2 together to deduce that the 0bama Primary was in 1996 as well.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


You are confusing economic models with governance models.

There can bing socialism under any type of government and yes...there can be taxes in Socialism economic models as well.

Socialism is not a type of government.


Good, now you just shot down your argument that the Military is some how Socialist. Since you know, it is an ECONOMIC model.

Thanks.


You still coming back for more???



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


SCOTUS will have the final say in the matter.

By the time Romney would be President...too much of the legislation will be in effect for him to kill it without it causing a disaster.

And yes...it was planned that way.



You seem happy that this socialist agenda got wiggled through all the loopholes behind closed doors instead of out in the open. You are even smug about it in your pride when stating "it was planned that way"

Again this reminds me of the Ron Paulers manipulating the system to gain their delegates, were you not vehemently against those kinds of shenanigans?

You are proving anyone who worships a political figure as a deity leaves decency at the door.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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It always goes back to one of my top statements.
It is always different for Liberals. ALL WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't forget that.

ALL WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010



He IS NOT concerned with YOUR best interest.


Care to show me where the capitalist system is concerned with my best interest?

What did I get out of the bailout of wall street and the banks? Nothing

What did I get out of the two wars the last capitalist president started? Nothing

What did I get out of the tax cuts that were given to the wealthy by the last capitalist president but excluded the poor and middle class? Nothing

I really don't see how capitalism has done me or anyone I know any good at all. A person would have to be blind to not see how unregulated capitalism has been a total failure in this country. The Mao comment was funny though maybe now it's time that you learn there are different types of socialism. You know like the ones that work.


Thats the point of the capitalist system. You're not supposed to be "helped." What capitalism does is give people the OPTION to help themselves. You know, through hard work? Capitalism allows you to be as successful as you want to be, or dont want to be.

I was born poor. I saw elderly men who were also poor and decided that wasn't for me. It never occurred to me that the government would pay for me, or help me, or provide any hand outs.

So, I studied with dillgence, worked and did my best at every opportunity. Upon my return from the war, I attended two universities which allowed me to live the life I dreamed of as a child and retire young.

My life may be at its end now, but I smile when I think of that boy who went to bed hungry, now lives in a multimillion dollar home, owns several vehicles, a boat, and an airplane. I will leave behind enough that my grandchildren and their grandchildren should never have to worry about college tuition, or the cost of books.

I'm not saying I'm the richest man, I am no different than any of you. All it takes is hardwork, determination, and the undying desire to achieve your goals. I don't believe anyone should have it easy, how else will you know when you've achieved? Those who are born wealthy and given everything know nothing.

Thats what capitalism did for me. Thats the opportunity capitalism offers for you all.

Sadly, most are content to sit on their couch, playing their videogames, and complaining how corrupt the banks are and how their jobs "suck." Who will you be?



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


It always goes back to one of my top statements.
It is always different for Liberals. ALL WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't forget that.

ALL WAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!


You can even see it in the techniques used when campaigning. If you look at the Clinton vs Bush campaigns back when. Bush never would really get into mud slinging and personal attacks and it lost him that election. There is a difference in moral flexibility and you saw it later when Clinton got himself impeached. I'm not trying to debate that whole mess but liberals usually have an easier time running a no holds barred campaign to where they run more on the premise that they can dig up more dirt on the other guy than trying to run on the substance of themselves.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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Congrats on the life you earned.

You will be branded the evil 1% though, those socialists out in the streets are just salivating to come redistribute all you built for yourself. That is pure socialism, in its rawest form.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by AlonzoTyper

Originally posted by buster2010



He IS NOT concerned with YOUR best interest.


Care to show me where the capitalist system is concerned with my best interest?

What did I get out of the bailout of wall street and the banks? Nothing

What did I get out of the two wars the last capitalist president started? Nothing

What did I get out of the tax cuts that were given to the wealthy by the last capitalist president but excluded the poor and middle class? Nothing

I really don't see how capitalism has done me or anyone I know any good at all. A person would have to be blind to not see how unregulated capitalism has been a total failure in this country. The Mao comment was funny though maybe now it's time that you learn there are different types of socialism. You know like the ones that work.


Thats the point of the capitalist system. You're not supposed to be "helped." What capitalism does is give people the OPTION to help themselves. You know, through hard work? Capitalism allows you to be as successful as you want to be, or dont want to be.

I was born poor. I saw elderly men who were also poor and decided that wasn't for me. It never occurred to me that the government would pay for me, or help me, or provide any hand outs.

So, I studied with dillgence, worked and did my best at every opportunity. Upon my return from the war, I attended two universities which allowed me to live the life I dreamed of as a child and retire young.

My life may be at its end now, but I smile when I think of that boy who went to bed hungry, now lives in a multimillion dollar home, owns several vehicles, a boat, and an airplane. I will leave behind enough that my grandchildren and their grandchildren should never have to worry about college tuition, or the cost of books.

I'm not saying I'm the richest man, I am no different than any of you. All it takes is hardwork, determination, and the undying desire to achieve your goals. I don't believe anyone should have it easy, how else will you know when you've achieved? Those who are born wealthy and given everything know nothing.

Thats what capitalism did for me. Thats the opportunity capitalism offers for you all.

Sadly, most are content to sit on their couch, playing their videogames, and complaining how corrupt the banks are and how their jobs "suck." Who will you be?


Well said and a perfect example of Capitalism at work and how it SHOULD work. The problem is you have so many socialist programs sprinkled in to give others opportunities like you and the people they were intended to help still dont take advantage. They want a bigger hand out. A free education would mean that at some point they would be required to move over into the capitalism based system out of the social program. Its a sad thing to see and I am glad that people such as yourself take full advantage of the capitalist system we have in place and dont sit back and say "Wheres my hand out". I was unfortunately or fortunately however you want to look at it, born into a white middle class family and have NEVER qualified for anything. Either my skin was the wrong color or my family made too much money. So I was thrust into capitalism head first and if you let it. The system works great.
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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Like we needed documents to prove that. Like his actions weren't enough.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by diakrite
Bla bla bla, yadda yadda yadda..

And here comes another thread by "concerned citizens" Please, stop this nonsense. It's getting annoying. Jst admit You hate the guy on sight, and don't pretend to be against him on purely political grounds.

You have NO inkling what "socialist " means, You still live with Your head buried firmly in the "there's a Commie under your bed" mindset of the 50's.

I an SICK of the pretentious post that only prove ONE thing to me: A large swath of people do not like his colour.....
Threads like these are insulting, and a waste of space on a site that once was about the curious and the odd, but has transformed into a cess-pit of pure right-wing hatred and pathetic "tough-guy" talk about gun-law and state interference.

Let me be the stereo-typer from the other side, and state that ATS has been taken over by the most unpleasant, vile and stupid part of redneck America.

I am done here, after several years of membership I can only see one thing: There's no curing stupid and hate....

Toodles.

*off to find out if there is a possibility to have my account removed*


That's pathetic....pulling out the race card when you have nothing else to offer.

And you're certainly worth no more of my time.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
the only logical conclusion is that he is somewhere in the Center...which is where we should want
our leaders to be.


The truth is that he wants us to fall for the lie that he is in the center!

Like he wants us to forget that he lied in 2008 about his membership of
the Socialist New Party.


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He assisted in propping up the capitalist banking system. So I think

You guys are so steeped in your own bull that you can't be

Objective anymore. You guys has diludded yourselves



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP
reply to post by AlonzoTyper
 


Congrats on the life you earned.

You will be branded the evil 1% though, those socialists out in the streets are just salivating to come redistribute all you built for yourself. That is pure socialism, in its rawest form.


Left = values Equality at the expense of Freedom.

Right = Values Freedom at the expense of Equality.

This is a great example of what I was saying, please go back and read the post, both have value, both sides are right and both sides are wrong, the debate between who is right and who is wrong was manufactureed so we would be trapped in and endless debate over what to value MORE freedom or equality, really it is both in moderation.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by luccadeo
Like we needed documents to prove that. Like his actions weren't enough.


Sadly documents are needed in this case because anyone who puts two and two together to equate Obama with socialism will be branded a racist.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by luccadeo
Like we needed documents to prove that. Like his actions weren't enough.


Sadly documents are needed in this case because anyone who puts two and two together to equate Obama with socialism will be branded a racist.


Well I would brand that person an idiot or a useful

Tool myself.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Beanskinner

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by luccadeo
Like we needed documents to prove that. Like his actions weren't enough.


Sadly documents are needed in this case because anyone who puts two and two together to equate Obama with socialism will be branded a racist.


Well I would brand that person an idiot or a useful

Tool myself.


This documentation would put you in your place then. It can be useful in many situations.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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All I can say is that is way cool. What this country needs is a good dose of socialism. To the OP: Now I'm even MORE happy I voted for Obama.
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