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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by stupid girl
Don't forget the book Jubilees
And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the midst of the earth 26 He destroyed everything. 'And we were left, I and you, my sons, and everything that entered with us into the ark, and behold I see your works before me that ye do not walk in righteousness: for in the path of destruction ye have begun to walk, and ye are parting one from another, and are envious one of another, and (so it comes) that ye are not in harmony, my sons, each with his brother. 27 For I see, and behold the demons have begun (their) seductions against you and against your children and now I fear on your behalf, that after my death ye will shed the blood of men upon the earth, 28 and that ye, too, will be destroyed from the face of the earth.
The seductions against the sons from demons is a good clue here. It started immediately after the flood.
Originally posted by stupid girl
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by stupid girl
Don't forget the book Jubilees
And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the midst of the earth 26 He destroyed everything. 'And we were left, I and you, my sons, and everything that entered with us into the ark, and behold I see your works before me that ye do not walk in righteousness: for in the path of destruction ye have begun to walk, and ye are parting one from another, and are envious one of another, and (so it comes) that ye are not in harmony, my sons, each with his brother. 27 For I see, and behold the demons have begun (their) seductions against you and against your children and now I fear on your behalf, that after my death ye will shed the blood of men upon the earth, 28 and that ye, too, will be destroyed from the face of the earth.
The seductions against the sons from demons is a good clue here. It started immediately after the flood.
seductions against them to be inclined toward sin, correct?
you're not stating seductions as those of a physical, sexual nature that took place prior to the deluge, correct?
when you say "it" started immediately after the flood, what are you referring to?
I feel so ignorant when I read your threads
there's an article somewhere that postulates that Daniel 2:43 is a reference confirming those unions were no longer possible subsequent to the deluge. Even though the alien abduction/probing/sexual assault/cow mutilation for genetic material/what-have-you, could be related to them attempting to resurrect their "days of glory", they are unable to make it work. Maybe something to do with earth's post-deluge atmosphere or environment? Dunno. Prob'ly just 'cuz God said "No."
If memory serves, the Jasher one is some how related to Mormonism? Not sure if it has to do with the person who translated it, or if it is where they glean some their doctrine from? Can't recall at the moment. You probably already know what I'm talking about.
Descendants of Anak. Hummm... This seems to be after the flood.
they were also said to have been a mixed race of giant people, descendants of the Nephilim (Numbers 13:33). The use of the word "nephilim" in this verse describes a crossbreed of God's sons and the daughters of man, as cited in (Genesis 6:1-2) and (Genesis 6:4).
4. And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish. 5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.
Whether some of them survived the flood is not relevant to my point. Your title is stupid and wrong because the Nephilim have nothing to do with the "Gods" who may return. They were mortal giant men mixed in with human society and they were eventually killed off (seeing as we don't have giants around today). It's not even logical to suggest the "Nephilim may return"... the whole thing is about the Gods returning, the return of the Gods who came from the sky. Those sky Gods are the Anunnaki!
Originally posted by Deetermined
I think Enoch, Chapter 15 holds the answer:
4. And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish. 5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.
Originally posted by queenofangels_17
reply to post by EnochWasRight
EnochWasRight,
The children of the watchers are among the perished nations mentioned in the Holy Qur'an who will return to earth just before the Trumpet is blown.
21:95 But there is a ban on any population which We have destroyed: that they shall not return,
21:96 Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through their barrier, and they swiftly swarm from every hill.
18:99 And on that day we shall let some of them surge against others, and the Trumpet will be blown. Then We shall gather them together in one gathering.
The Day of Judgment is the day when all the nations of the past will be gathered along with this generation to be judged by the Almighty God. So when you see the Nephilims, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, Pharaoh and his tribe, the people of Atlantis, and people having the characteristics of one of the perished nations... then you know that the Time of Gathering is at hand.
The Prophet Enoch's writings quoted in Jude 1:14 spoke of the Prophet Muhammad before his advent, as the leader of ten thousand saints paralleled in the prophecy of Moses in Deuteronomy 33:2
"And Enoch [Idris in Arabic, one of Allah Almighty's Prophets peace be upon all of them to the people of Israel.] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)"
Matthew 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
The coming prophet after him will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire.. The prophet John and Jesus baptized with water never with fire.. and the prophecy here of the coming prophet refers to the prophet Muhammad, which is the truth by Him in whose hand is my soul.
The words of Jesus are only valid when it is used to twist the story, it that about right? I have been on many Muslim forums and they will always say that the Gospels have been twisted so they do not pay attention to them. When pressed against a wall on the message of Jesus to love their enemies, they run for the door and say the gospels are manipulated.
edit on 6-6-2012 by EnochWasRight because: (no reason given)
Seems obvious now, right? But they put such a dark fog over my eyes that I couldn't be sure. Yes, that was one of the options of what I came up with but I shrugged it off. God enlightened me with knowledge to SEE, not with just the physical eyes of my body but with the spiritual eyes that many (especially non-believers) never use.
Do not be deceived people. Aliens are NOT our friends!
Sorry if I'm rambling or if this is somewhat off topic.
Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by CaptainNemo
No, it is translated from the Septaugint which clearly translates to
2 Lift up a standard on the mountain of the plain, exalt the voice to them, beckon with the hand, open the gates, ye rulers. 3 I give command, and I bring them: giants are coming to fulfil my wrath, rejoicing at the same time and insulting. 4 A voice of many nations on the mountains, even like to that of many nations; a voice of kings and nations gathered together: the Lord of hosts has given command to a war-like nation, 5 to come from a land afar off, from the utmost foundation of heaven; the Lord and his warriors are coming to destroy all the world.
Given the above comments about the Giants coming from a land afar off, from the utmost foundation of heaven....in my opinion means from another PLANET in OUTER SPACE.
Actually, after more research, it can be shown as "Giants' or 'Mighty ones'. It still implies something of great size/strength.edit on 5-6-2012 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)
After even more research it seems 'Giants' is the more popular term in almost all the Septaugint translations.edit on 5-6-2012 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Well considering that Enoch was not just a prophet but also a king i'd say he's probably right about them re-emerging during the great tribulation. Theyre sleeping somewhere below ground, possibly in a giant tomb or antechamber in the "hollows of the earth". I think theyre "concealed" because theyre the demons that haunt and plague people today, we can't see them because theyre spirits. most notably is the one called Gilgamesh, who makes a surprise appearence in the Enuma Elish and was supposedly 450 tall.
Guess we will find out soon enough, but in order for new nephilim to be born there has to be a union between fallen angel and woman but YHVH was supposed to have put a stop to that long ago, unless these so called "extraterestrials" are really the fallen in disguise, kidnapping women and having wierd sexual experiments done.edit on 4-6-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)