Nosy exam question asks 3rd graders to reveal a "secret". Parents outraged.

What is the story here?

So a teacher asks a kid to reveal a secret.. what's the big deal here? You know what my kid did when a teacher asked him to reveal a secret?

He quoted Ben Franklin.

"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

The teacher never asked again.

Do your jobs as parents, and your children will be fine.

my child is 4 and i'm all ready teaching her family business is family business and not to trust authorities 100%. I try to explain the fine lines of the "nice" and "bad" authoritative figures. It's sad that we can't even trust police officers and school officials. I'm even worried of male teachers these days. I would love to home school my children but i want them to socialize with the other children and just hope i can guide them through with out being traumatized by the administrative evil that is so much apart of our lives.

that question for 3rd graders is appalling. the teachers should be behavior profiling of victims and not just digging for anything they can get their hands on. i think this question was a test run for the coming militarized police state. why else would they ask a question like that. the state is trying to get all the citizens to become snitches.... it doesn't matter what us parents think because soon we will be dead and it won't matter because they all ready got their teeth sunk into our children to rat each other out... I'm not very old myself and was not alive during the gestapo, stalin, or mao era, but i am smart enough to c that we are headed down that road...

if this question doesn't give u chills and opens your eyes on the direction of this country then u r blind and i wish u all the luck when they come knocking on your door.

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

I honestly although it is a breach of personal information, think this isn't a bad idea. Many children keep HORRIBLE secrets, not all the secrets some kids keep are just cheeky bull#. Many children are abused and never say anything, many children's parents commit awful crimes and talk about all the time within the home, and also kids hear things from other kids that could also be a big problem. My answer to the parents if I was the superintendent, "You don't like, home school um, no where in the question did it say it had to be a "factual" secret, you have skeletons in your own closet keep it out of your children's ears and we wouldn't have a problem in the first place then would we."

Oh please. IIt's a total invasion of privacy and of the family unit by the State educators and the NEA. The NEA Is socialist and a complete tool for control of people by the State.

Has our education system failed America's children?
Not in the minds of "progressive" educators and utopian globalists. They have yet to fulfill their revolutionary vision, but they are well on their way to a tragic victory. So while you and I decry the destruction of an academic system that produced nearly 100% literacy (at least at least in California) -- seventy years ago, others cheer the changes that have traded facts for fantasy, truth for myths, academics for collective socialization and individual thinking for group manipulation.

It happened slowly -- largely through stealth and deception. Today's educational establishment, birthed over a century ago by John Dewey and his associates, learned early the tactics of social transformation: infiltration, propaganda, secret councils and continual multiplication through networks of influential new organizations.

Keep in mind, the NEA shares the UN goals on every point. Small wonder, since its leaders helped establish the United Nations in the first place. Back in 1946, it celebrated the formation of UNESCO as "the culmination of a movement for the creation of an international agency of education." What the NEA had begun in secret would now be officially established by this new global management system. The NEA Journal announced the victory: "each member nation... has a duty to see to it that nothing in its curriculum... is contrary to UNESCO's aims."[1]

Indeed, it would. Like the UN, the NEA promotes abortion, disarmament, world government and everything outlined in Local Agenda 21, the radical framework for a totalitarian globalism under the banner of "Saving the Earth."
In other words, the NEA-UN blueprint for "lifelong learning" calls for a world-wide system of global standards and manipulative programs that would conform human resources of every age to its totalitarian aims. Our children would be trained, not just to conform to this system, but to be activists willing to serve, promote, spy and fight for a world government with zero tolerance for Biblical values or for the God we love. And every person would be monitored and assessed for their compliance with the ideals of our global managers

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By the way, the Prez shares your cynical view of the parent. It is sad that people have learned already to trust the govt more than the parent and to even view the parent as the potential enemy of the child.

Also if you are like many here on this forum who value your independence and the ability to think as an individual, you should know that the Dewey system is explicitly to stop independent thinking of individudals and make them comform to the society the State has envisioned.

“The only true education comes through the stimulation of the child’s powers by the demands of the social situation in which he finds himself. Through these demands, he is stimulated to act as a member of a unity, to emerge from his original narrowness of action and feeling, and to conceive of himself from the standpoint of the welfare of the group to which he belongs....

1916. John Dewey is recognized as the leader of the "progressive educators.' In Democracy and Education, he wrote, "There is always a danger that increased personal independence will decrease the social capacity of an individual.... It often makes an individual so insensitive in his relations to others as to develop an illusion of being really able to stand and act alone--an unnamed from of insanity which is responsible for a large part of the remedial suffering of the world." [1] Cuddy, 13. See also The Re-establishment of Peacetime Society

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Maybe parents should start telling their children that their 3rd grade teacher is retarded but that it is a secret. Or, maybe parents should start homeschooling their children and telling them it is because their teachers are retarded and it is no secret.

This exactly my sentiment on the matter, parents should be well aware by now how ugly our liberalized school system is in America. Children need to at least be briefed on these matters and perhaps they won't write "I SAW A DEAD BODY" for fun so much...

Schools are their to brain wash and document information.

These state standardize test are crap. The schools base all their lessons on these test. ITS A STATE TEST!!! Its crazy, people do not realize how crazy it is. Its like letting a corporation educate your child. The teachers only teach what the state wants you to know. I remember taking these test and being VERY ANGRY because allot of the time their wear 2 correct answers (history and English test). They just wanted you to pick the one that was in their brainwash propaganda perspective. At the end of the english test you wear supposed to write a essay based on a question. These questions wear often personal. I could not help to think that they would be stored in a file with my name on it.

In Texas its required that you take a communications class. I found it weird that all the communications teachers once worked for the state. HMMM? The teacher would hand out these personality test that asked personal questions on more then one occasion. I told that I would only show up if she graded my papers as soon as handed it and gave it right back to me. (I did not want it to be stored in a file) I should have passed the class but I did not. It was the teachers last year and she failed me. I talked to the school and they said because the teacher had left I have to take the class over. I have a friend that knows how to get into the schools system. I had to bribe a administrator to see my grades in the computer (from the year before) and it showed that I had a %96 in the class. Some shady # goes on in school.

Hhahaha thats crazy , if only i could show you some of the stuff I used to write about in my busy book.
When I was in primary school I had an incredibly vivid imagination and would often
fantasize on many things and write stories about them for my busy book.
Often I would tell lies that my parents had rockets and monsters in dungeons and all sorts
of stuff. Im really surprised I wasnt given to the state.

I will now have to go and dig them out and scan them for you!

Originally posted by fleabit
Aside from embarrassing situations at home you may well not want to get out of your home (a 3rd grader may not very well be clear on what is a "secret" and what is "private," and it's a shame you should have to explain the to to avoid test questions like these), how is it good practice at all to teach kids to divulge secrets? This is a smart question in what way?

It is a pointless question - I can't see what this is supposed to teach a child.

The whole point is to get the child to confide in the State(teachers) and tell on their parents so that the State can monitor what goes on in the families. If a parent is not compliant enough, they will have ammunition to report to CPS and take the child from the parents. In a general way it is designed to remove the child's reliance on parents for values and replace it with that of the State. This is truly a manifestation of the Nanny State in a most deceitful way.

Originally posted by Infi8nity

Schools are their to brain wash and document information.

This makes me chuckle on so many levels.

As as teacher who works in public education, I will admit that educators tend to pry more than they should. A lot of teachers take the "mandated reporter" status very seriously and make frequent calls to dcf. Personally, I was raised to value privacy and mind my own business, and I usually do. After reading this report, I have an even greater appreciation for the value of families' privacy, and will make more of an effort to respect that.

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sorry about your grand daughter being a victim... it is a very sad situation and i feel for your family... every family has their secrets.... no family is perfect because people are not perfect... just some secrets are too dark and my heart goes out to the children that keep these dark secrets... children warm my heart and all deserve to be loved... but teachers should not just dig for anything and every thing.... they should be trained to profile victims and go about it that way...

even if they did ask your granddaughter that question; would see really even tell them? i seriously doubt it... but if a teacher were able to recognize the signs and to build a relationship with her... there would be a much greater chance of the truth coming out

Funny, I've had three children go through the school system and not once was any personal questions asked about our family structure. If anything I've found that I've had to volunteer information to teachers when we've had family issues that I felt might effect my kids school work.
Kids, when asked will give away all kinds of secrets.

reply to post by FortAnthem

It doesn't get any creepier than this; a standardized exam asks 3rd graders to reveal a secret to their teachers and write about why it is hard to keep. Talk about using the kids to report on their families and parents!

Lol, everyone get your papers in order.

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No wonder, It's New Jersey

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Thanks for sharing. The assault on the family trudges on. Such evil, no rational system would implement such an activity.

1946. In his NEA editorial, "The teacher and World Government," J. Elmer Morgan, wrote, "In the struggle to establish an adequate world government, the teacher... can do much to prepare the hearts and minds of children.... At the very top of all the agencies which will assure the coming of world government must stand the school, the teacher, and the organized profession." The NEA Journal (January 1946); 1.

1948. Julian Huxley (first Director-General of UNESCO) wrote in UNESCO: Its Purpose and Its Philosophy: The general philosophy of UNESCO should be a scientific world humanism, global in extent and evolutionary in background... In its education program it can... familiarize all peoples with the implications of the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world organization.... Tasks for the media division of Unesco [will be] to promote the growth of a common outlook shared by all nations and cultures... to help the emergence of a single world culture." [1] Cuddy, 25.

1956. Former teacher, Communist and Union organizer, Dr. Bella Dodd states, "...the Communist party whenever possible wanted to use the Teacher's Union for political purposes but the party had a definite interest in education also. The Communists in the Teachers' Union were for progressive education. We were its most vocal and enthusiastic supporters.... Most of the programs we advocated, the NEA followed the next year or so." [1] Cuddy, 32.

1967. The NEA Journal published "Helping Children to Clarify Values" by Louis Raths, Sidney Simon and M Harmin. It said: "The old approach seems to be to persuade the child to adopt the 'right' values rather than to help him develop a valuing process...."

This stuff should alarm everyone who believes in individuality and the values of our Founding Fathers.
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Let me be clear in saying that i do not agree with this tactic. That said, people need to consider the motivation behind this question. I HIGHLY doubt that it is an intel-gathering agenda by TPTB. I mean really, most 3rd graders secrets amount to "billy kissed sally!"

The point of this type of question is to teach the kids to critically think. Ask them to give up a secret, then make them explain why it is important to keep secrets. Its simple logic. The idea is to see which children make the logical connection and answer it with "its a secret", and then explain why its important to keep secrets.

One more reason for me to home school my son. The Con list for "regular" school is getting long and disturbing.

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i think your giving them too much credit... and i do not c the logical connection with that question... i don't think it's really intelligence gathering either but rather getting the children use to reporting on the people around them

The whole point is to get the child to confide in the State(teachers) and tell on their parents so that the State can monitor what goes on in the families. If a parent is not compliant enough, they will have ammunition to report to CPS and take the child from the parents. In a general way it is designed to remove the child's reliance on parents for values and replace it with that of the State. This is truly a manifestation of the Nanny State in a most deceitful way.

Well, if this continued and became a regular part of these standardized tests, I'd perhaps agree with you. But as was the case here, every time there is such an invasive question on a test, there will be some level of outcry. So I don't think this is even an occasional thing now. Probably not even a "dry run" of such a thing. I think it's a very poorly worded or poorly thought out question, that's all - nothing sinister behind it. But.. keep your eyes open, if we see this more, than yes.. it's a cause for concern.

Originally posted by 11azerus11
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

i think your giving them too much credit... and i do not c the logical connection with that question... i don't think it's really intelligence gathering either but rather getting the children use to reporting on the people around them

You dont see a logical connection to be made by asking someone to tell a secret and then asking them to explain why it is hard to keep? Really?

Again, the idea is to get a kid to NOT tell the secret. It is simple logic.

And again, I get why people have an issue with this. I have an issue with it. But intel-gathering from 3rd graders (which is exactly what it is when you are trying to gather information from a source)? Come on now...