Nosy exam question asks 3rd graders to reveal a "secret". Parents outraged.

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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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When my children were in daycare, the daycare owner/teacher would ask them everyday what they had for supper the night before. Then one day as we were having supper one night, My youngest daughter blurted out that Miss X asked them if they ever saw their Daddy in his underwear. We told the children that stuff like that was none of her #### business. My husband told our four year old to ask her daycare teacher if she wanted to see her daddy in his underwear!!


Speaking of catholic schools, I went to one and sometimes you are unfortunate enough to get a nun who doesn't have any qualms about "Slappin' you upside yo haid". I had one and called her Sister Magilla Gooorilla.....but not to her face


We also homeschool our adhd ten year old grandson. The school in our district is awful.
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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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When my kid had to take this questionaire, it asked her if it is:

a) good

b) bad

c) really bad

to get high on cough medicine?

She said, "Mom, I didn't even know you could get high on cough medicine!"

THANKS, for teaching my daughter something new



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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I can see it now. Little Johnny - "Well, I help my daddy clean his guns every night, even the machine guns which no-one is supposed to know about. Then last weekend I helped daddy work on the perimeter of our compound, but no-one is supposed to know that either. Daddy has six gun safes but I only know the combination to one of them, it's 36 to the right, 15 to the left...."



That would be particularly funny if Little Johnny's dad didn't have any guns and LJ was yankin the teacher's chain.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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I would welcome my grand daughter's teacher to ask her that.

Her reply would be, My mother leaves me home alone most evenings and instead of my name she now calls me "Stupid".

She just turned 11 and her mother slaps her around, well now that she is as tall as her mother and as strong she has told her mother, "You slap me one more time, just once more and I'm slapping you back."

When she stays with her father (45 hours every 2 weeks) he has no problems with her. She obeys him and he is strict with her. He watches her and makes sure what she sees on TV and who she plays with. She is secure with her father even though he is again strict with her. He has never had to spank her because they talk about why he has rules she must observe.

She is a quiet, compliant child. Very helpful, very gentle, very obedient. We have had her for periods with no problems, she is a very kind and helpful person.

The court doesn't care that she is being psychologically abused. (She is ADHD) with bad vision (We just got her glasses) and put in the very back of the classroom in a corner.

If someone had asked me that question as a child, maybe I would have told them, I was hit in the head with a 2 X 4, knocked out, when I woke up in the hospital I was told (by my sister's husband / I was orphaned at 9 and lived with them) that if I told the doctor who hit me he would finish the job and I wouldn't wake up next time.

Maybe then I would have written about being made to stand on one square for 12 hours and if I fainted or went over the square get beaten with a belt (buckle side).

Maybe I would have told them about being poked in the chest with his finger and thrown through a wall twice and a sliding glass door once.

Maybe I would have written about being man handled from age 10-15 by several members of my Brother In Law's family.

Maybe I would have written about being locked up in a small dark closet for 24 hours with no food, water or toilet.

Some "secrets" should not be kept.........................If you are a good parent, don't do drugs, drink and drive then WTF do you have to worry about?

Yes it's another of unending invasions of privacy but some children have to hold in some pretty dark secrets.

Now when any of us fly we are filmed naked and believe me, that's on someone's database, it's not erased, don't kid yourself.

And you're worried about being reported on?

Most of you have no comprehension of going through torture and possibly that is what this questionnaire was trying to dig out.

Many people are not fit to have children.

Almost 50% reproduce, bring kids into this already messed up society, polluted planet then divorce leaving the child(ren) to be raised in a one parent household, leave them alone while they work once they reach around nine years old, abuse them either verbally and or physically or ignore them, letting the TV and computer brainwash them into yet more perverse ideologies.

We've paid $28,000 to no avail to try and have the divorce / custody judge just talk with my grand daughter on the abuse she is taking........................the court, the system here in Illinois doesn't care.

She doesn't vote, pay taxes so has no voice.

Again, most of you that are doing drugs, drinking way too much, addicted to presciption drugs, not really honoring your marriage vows or single and dating a new person every month or so, don't belong having kids.

Every child should have a soft warm bed, a kiss and hug good night, three square meals a day, a stable, loving, nurturing home life.

Even here in America most don't.

And that is the way "the puppet masters" want it.

This creates a person with no allegiance to their family (what family?).

Makes for a society of good little worker drones.

If you are a good parent, you have nothing to hide.
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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Oh Gott. I will have to warn and ask my little brothers what they are being asked in school. 3rd graders being asked questions like that, is ridiculous...Schools are starting to be so nosy, and when I have kids, no way they are going to public schools.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Aside from embarrassing situations at home you may well not want to get out of your home (a 3rd grader may not very well be clear on what is a "secret" and what is "private," and it's a shame you should have to explain the to to avoid test questions like these), how is it good practice at all to teach kids to divulge secrets? This is a smart question in what way?

It is a pointless question - I can't see what this is supposed to teach a child.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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I honestly although it is a breach of personal information, think this isn't a bad idea. Many children keep HORRIBLE secrets, not all the secrets some kids keep are just cheeky bull#. Many children are abused and never say anything, many children's parents commit awful crimes and talk about all the time within the home, and also kids hear things from other kids that could also be a big problem. My answer to the parents if I was the superintendent, "You don't like, home school um, no where in the question did it say it had to be a "factual" secret, you have skeletons in your own closet keep it out of your children's ears and we wouldn't have a problem in the first place then would we."



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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During World War 2, the Nazi school establishments would ask their students similar questions to worm out anti-government dissidents.

This sets a frightening precedent.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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School is nothing anymore but a platform for neo-nazi mind controlling freaks who is doing their best in all cases to ruin peoples lives in the name of N.W.O.
All this online rating system we have is also a platform for the elite to know what people are interested in and frankly speaking education is rarely the agenda anymore. You be amazed what your kids are questioned about in game sites,web sites and no matter how hard the parents try to avoid any explicit messages reaching our kids minds the elites in porn, satanic,black magic and devils and so on made its way into new world education. I am no bible bumper or religion fanatic but i can admit every time i see a child log onto an education site you see advertising with nudity being shown on them and the child click it and he already has an eye view...I have seen them say u must be 18to view and 10 year olds say 18 and they are in. they made their way in games now especially date games where you try to earn points to score an interlude with your date which is highly sexual explicit for any child.
Even education site now posting this stuff, when you report or flag it, and its ignored because the add pays much money to post it and the company wont block it. Parent block is useless because the system teach kids how to go around it. You see so much material glorifying drugs,satan,murder,rape,sex and so on in games alone. it sells and they dont care if ur child sees it. you take the net away they have sex education in school and 5 y.o. knows what a condom is for now. Daddy and mom no longer has the duty t teach birds and the bees they can teach you. cartoons show strong sexual content now, woman have big or small breasts, they dress sexy or slutty.
WE are so stupid we tend to think its ok today for them to see it because its human nature, but i dont want my 5 y.o. becoming a dad before he even knows what being a kid is...There are laws for people to mess with underage kids, but did you know there is no law a 5 yo getting a 6 yo girl pregnant is not a law, in fact the sex industry thrive to educate these kids much more... My neighbor 6 year old told me other day he though it was funny seeing woman playing a mans skin flute...W.T.F. and to top it off he is told its ok to fool around with same sex as well....I have no prob with gays..but when a child is told men and men are ok to love too that child is interested already...now that wrong and should not be taught in any school. Ok i have days of issues on this but end it here because schools today just don't give a damn because they made christian schools now have no prayers where is the spirit...Our flags are being taken away and the anthem what next boys and girls can shower and share same toilets... Sick world. and there are only a few good schools out there fighting to stop it.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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My grand daughter has been told to not tell her father where she lives, what school she goes to or her phone number.

Now, my son was a good father. He raised our grand daughter as a infant (birth to 2) when my daughter in law took off and hid for three months.

My son was never abusive to his ex wife or daughter. My ex daughter in law has slapped my son around but he turned around and walked away with my grand daughter crying to me "Why is mama so mean to Papa?"

My grand daughter has stated that her mother is goofier then heck, very abusive or ignores her and she would rather live with her father because while he is strict and watches her like a hawk, he is kind, loving and talks with her a lot about stuff.

Her mother leaves her alone most nights, has had numerous serious boyfriends in 9 years, and they move about once a year or more.

About 50% of marriages now end in divorce.

How about people getting their $#@* together, making sure they have enough money, their marriage is going to work out and they have a stable, nurturing home BEFORE getting pregnant?????

Usually I am against the government or schools nosing into our private life.

But, when I stayed home with my kids and baby sat, a lot of the kids in our neighborhood from 9 - 11 would just hang around because they were "alone" all day, every day during the summer (3 months).

Most kids now live in a one parent household.

For many years I worked night shift while my husband worked days so that someone was always home with our sons.

Again, you have nothing to hide if you are being a good parent.
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posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
We live in different times. Back when I was in school, we use to tell our teachers how badly our parents whooped our asses the day before, and our teachers would tell us to walk it off.

I went to Catholic schools, if it wasn't our parents beating us, it was our teachers when we acted up in class.



Yeah for sure different times. When I was in trouble enough to get whooped by the nuns, they made me tell my mother who would be outraged and whoop me herself. The sneaky nuns pinned notes to our shirts so our mothers wouldn't miss them, and then demand the notes signed and returned to them the next day.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by mee30
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Well this is alluding to what I U2U'ed you the other day. I totally agree that the teachers didn't write it and that they possibly didn't even want to give it. But people ALWAYS have a choice. There will always be consequences too but if teachers spoke out a little more then maybe this type of situation wouldn't occur in the first place?


I can't think of a single teacher who wants to give a standardized test.

The questions we have our children write an answer to: "Tell about a happy game you played with your family or friends.".

I've never seen a question like telling secrets, or teachers questioning students about their private lives. I'm not doubting you, it's just I've never seen it myself.

I know with our writing tests, teachers score the results using a rubric and then shred the actual test sheet. But that's my county, quite possibly very different in other areas.

BTW, I haven't forgotten your U2U.....currently still on the first documentary.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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home schooling

problem solved



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Again, you have nothing to hide if you are being a good parent.


Sorry.. that is ridiculous. Kids who are being abused are not going to answer it on some test as a secret they have a hard time keeping. I was abused by both my father, and then by my step father. I was terrified of him, and scared to tell anyone what he was doing. I sure as hell wouldn't have put it down on a test. I was afraid to tell even my mother, for fear of what he might do to her if she confronted him about it. Kids who are being abused have usually some serious mental issues to deal with - and they are not going to accidentally let it slip on a test. So the question is POINTLESS.

While I agree parenting has gone badly downhill, asking questions like this is not the answer to fix it - all it teaches is it's ok to tell a secret if someone in authority asks. Which is a load of you know what. It's an invasive question, and it's none of the school's business. Their job is to TEACH. Not pry into ALL the lives of all their students. If a particular student is having issues, they should take them aside and try to find out if something is wrong. The shotgun approach (if that is what it was.. imo, it was just a really poorly phrased / thought out question), is inane.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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You have a choice here between liberty and safety. If you think the government is going to take care of your grand daughter perhaps think twice. Family and those who love your grand daughter will always be better equipped to do whatever is necessary to ensure her well being. Do what you need to, but don't ask the government to do it for you. You will be disappointed every time.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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It seems like schools consider children their own instead of the parents'.
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you almost got it dead on. It's the state that considers the children theirs. All citizens are considered belonging to the state more and more all the time. We are all just workers for increasing the GDP/GNP and the state wants to make sure your children grow up with the mindset that they should be. Of course it's under the guise of making sure there's no Homegrown terrorist out there.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Starred, because you are right.

Our government doesn't care.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Yes, this is a "values clarification" exercise of the worst kind. Values clarification started some time ago as a method of social engineering by placing a wedge between the child and his parants in a so-called effort to help the kids develop their own set of values apart from their parents. Since when is it the job of schools to do this? Oh right, when John Dewey, a Marxist Statist decided it and brought his methodology to the American educational system. In recent decades Statists got really entrenched with their social engineering efforts. The point is to replace the parents upbringing and morality with the goals of the State. If the State has a particular agenda, teachers can be given lesson plans or ideas to help bring the agenda into focus in the young minds.



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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Starred, and you are right.

My youngest got his GED at home on line. I looked at the material and tests, quite expensive but well worth it.

He is better educated (I also helped with some of the material and he researched stuff because everything was presented in such a way as to be quite interesting).

Very good reply.

People could also group together and have a community "group school".

There are other options and maybe parents with children nearing school age should reconsider their children's education and care while Mom & Dad work.

While I did day care, I had all my preschoolers able to print their names, basic words and begin to read with phonics. They also helped me bake bread, plan out a week long menu for lunch and garden.

Still in contact with two of my "kids".



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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After thinking about it - you are right.

I was scared because I knew that if I told anyone what was going on it would only get worse.

Starred for your insight and correction.





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