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Originally posted by seagull
How can I not support? I may have issues with the reasons, so to do the soldiers and sailors serving. None of them want to be in combat, or in areas that may see combat, unless they're insane. They'd, in my experiance as a life long civilian, much rather be with their families...training for what they fervently hope/pray never happens. But most unfortunately, it does happen, is happening, and will happen. They go off to war. ...and that is a horrible thing.
They don't make the decisions. They, for the most part, honor their sworn word and go. They do their duties to the best of their abilities, and some don't come back, some do come back but not whole.
I've seen the scars. Heard the nightmares. Held them when they're back somewhere that they'd give everything they own to never see again... How can I not support? My father is a WWII veteran. A Korean war veteran. A Vietnam war veteran. One of an ever shrinking number. His nightmares, and PTSD, are horrific when they hit. My youngest sister saw some sort of combat during a deployment to the Mediterranean back in the '80's. She doesn't talk about it, but I've heard the nightmares. My little brother saw combat during two tours in Iraq... How can I not support?
Save your anger/hatred for the one's who put them there, and are keeping them there. ...and just, bye the bye, save some of that anger for yourselves. After all, who put those politicians we so despise in office? Those self same politicians who put our friends and families in harms way, who voted them into office? Who can't be bothered to practice the oversight that citizenship demands? Then have the unmitigated gall to complain about it?
Originally posted by 31Bravo
We didn't invade your country because of your beliefs bud.. we invaded it simply for oil control. I think the political leaders of the U.S. could care less about your beliefs. A government coup, in reality, isn't to install a democratic government.. it's to install a leader of some sort that will give us better control over the oil your country sits on.
I would love it for America to pull out of the middle east. As it has been said before in this thread, to which I have agreed, we (Americans) unfortunately are in this because of foreign policy and national interests. Truly a sad story.
Tell me though.. if the shoe was on the other foot, in other words, if your country had the power and the U.S. did not.. you're telling me the Middle East wouldn't be the ones invading other countries for there national/foreign/religious agendas? Exactly. This goes for ANY member that says the U.S. is soooo evil.. got news for you, but whatever country you sit in has selfish agendas like everyone else.. it's what makes you human. Doesn't make it right, but it's what makes you human.edit on 2-5-2012 by 31Bravo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 31Bravo
reply to post by Adlai
Wait.. wait.. did you just call seagull's family "horrible people", which vicariously is calling me and every other soldier on this site "horrible people" and then turn right around and say your dad fought in Vietnam, after deciding not to run, and "tried" not to kill anyone so therefore he's a hero.. do you see your contradictions? Contradictions aside, by the same logic you spewed your father is a horrible person after the Tonkin Incident became public knowledge.
Point is.. that whole post response was a waste of time, and made absolutely ZERO points. Why isn't other soldiers given the same respect? We were lied to going in to the war.. but it's done JUST like the Vietnam War.. you are no better than the ingrates that called the Vietnam Vets baby killers.. you condemn what you do not understand. As a member put it 1 page back we are not politicians, we are service members.. condemn your government.
edit on 2-5-2012 by 31Bravo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by Jameela
Jameela, if the only choices we are given to vote for are the evil ones you speak of, how are we supposed to vote anything else? You literally have to vote for the lesser of two evils in America. There is no other choice.
Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by Jameela
Jameela, if the only choices we are given to vote for are the evil ones you speak of, how are we supposed to vote anything else? You literally have to vote for the lesser of two evils in America. There is no other choice.
Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
reply to post by Jameela
While your thoughts are noble, and precisely the same thoughts I have, I also have to consider that I have a wife and a child to take care of. If I do step up and fight the good fight, but end up in prison, beaten or dead, my family is no longer able to take care of themselves. I am the bread winner, and without my support, my family crumbles economically. It is a catch 22. While I want change, my number 1 priority is my family. It always will be. I have to choose what will enable their very survival.
Originally posted by SGTSECRET
Why is it so hard for people to read. The thread is calling for military supporters, so those who are here putting down service members are only doing so to cause problems. If you do not like those who are in the military, make your own thread about how much you hate them for whatever ridiculous reason.
Another thing, there is no point to coming in here spouting off about anti government bs when that has nothing at all to do with supporting the men and women in uniform. While I've been in and even while deployed we(the soldiers I was with) have often had the same opinions on 'what are we doing' 'why' and all that other stuff. OK we get it, things are messed up, and many of us in uniform KNOW this. Blaming those in the military for all the wrongdoing that is happening makes just as much sense as blaming EVERYONE for paying taxes which pay for these sort of operations that nobody wants.
Originally posted by SGTSECRET
Why is it so hard for people to read. The thread is calling for military supporters, so those who are here putting down service members are only doing so to cause problems. If you do not like those who are in the military, make your own thread about how much you hate them for whatever ridiculous reason.
Another thing, there is no point to coming in here spouting off about anti government bs when that has nothing at all to do with supporting the men and women in uniform. While I've been in and even while deployed we(the soldiers I was with) have often had the same opinions on 'what are we doing' 'why' and all that other stuff. OK we get it, things are messed up, and many of us in uniform KNOW this. Blaming those in the military for all the wrongdoing that is happening makes just as much sense as blaming EVERYONE for paying taxes which pay for these sort of operations that nobody wants.