Where are the ATS military supporters?, page 1


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Topic started on 30-4-2012 @ 10:11 AM by youdidntseeme
I know you exist, I have seen your posts. But many times I just see the stars pop up on the posts of other members who support the military.

The anti-military crowd here on ATS is always very obvious. Not a thread goes by speaking about the military members, the War on Terror, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, North Korea, (the list goes on) where they do not come by and let their feelings known, to an almost predictable degree.

It almost is as if they can not resist another military thread to come out and and shout their opinions and how much they disagree. I've even seen some downright hateful comments from them multiple times.

But its the pro-military members, the supporters, the active duty, prior service, future service that I want to hear from. The friends and families of sailors, soldiers, airmen, marines, and guardsmen who love and support their fighting men and women that I want to see.

I placed this in the War on Terrorism forum because the War on Terrorism, in my mind, has created the divide between the pro and anti crowds to a degree that t me has not been seen since the years following the conflict in Vietnam. Many of those men had no choice to travel and fight as they were drafted, but the men and women now fighting overseas have all made the hard, hard decision to put their life n the line.

A few people here might remember from my previous posts that I have enlisted in the United States Army, have not served yet, just awaiting my ship date to training, which is approaching rapidly. That might be the reason for this thread, but its something that I have wondered since my very first days just reading ATS, long before I ever became a contributing member.

In my actual day to day life, outside of ATS, every single person who knows of my decision has been nothing but supportive, some even going out of their way to congratulate me, wish me luck and thank me for stepping to the plate where so many others will not.

But here on ATS, it seems that the pendulum swings so far in the other direction.

So I ask, ATS members, where are the supporters. Let your voice be heard.


reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 10:28 AM by youdidntseeme
reply to post by sheepslayer247



Thank you for clarifying there.
I was just thinking about adding an edit that stated just that.

I fully respect someone's opinion regarding current wars or ideology that are critical.

It is very possible for someone to disagree with the war but still show support for the men and women.

Thank you for that.


reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 10:30 AM by youdidntseeme
reply to post by JibbyJedi



JJ,

That is not the case at all, but thank you for chiming in here.
I do see your posts on many of the military threads, and am full aware of your thoughts on the matter.

thank you for the well wishes though, I honestly appreciate that!


reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 10:31 AM by OldCorp
I wouldn't want my son to join the military right now for anything in the world, and I say this as a Marine that is proud of his service under President Reagan. I mention that specifically, because every combat action since his term, and my service, has been to advance a Globalist agenda and not to protect our country. It really pisses me off to see my brothers coming home in body bags because some Ahole wanted to raise the price of gas (or get juicy government contracts for his company, *cough cough Cheney *cough Halliburton.)

In fact, I can't think of a single member of the military who is "pro-war." I was never in combat myself, but I've heard the stories from those who were, and it's true: War is Hell. Douglas MacArthur once famously said that all warriors pray above all else for peace.

Since you were accepted into the service, I can only assume that you are a man responsible for his own decisions. When you take the Oath of Enlistment (if you haven't already) pay particular attention to it. You are not swearing loyalty to a President, you are swearing it to the Constitution. You swear that you will defend it from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. That oath, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, requires that you refuse any order that you know to be unlawful; but here's where you need to be careful. If you refuse an order, you could be charged with mutiny. Mutiny during wartime is an offense punishable by death. So if you choose to stand up and say "No," you had better be prepared to hang your life on the outcome.

You should check out Oath Keepers.



My friend, I said I would not want my son to join the military right now. I would have given you the same advice had I known; but it is too late now. As long as you serve with Honor, you will have nothing to be ashamed of, and no man will ever be able to criticize you for it. Serve your country with Honor, and we will be proud to welcome you into our Brotherhood.

Semper Fi.


reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 10:36 AM by Evanzsayz
reply to post by Ladysophiaofsandoz





I question if their bosses value each and every one of them as much as I do.

No, they do not give a crap about any of them, there just instruments to be used at their disposal. These are the same pigs that would order to drop a nuke on their own homeland.
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reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 10:42 AM by smyleegrl
reply to post by youdidntseeme






Whenever I think of the men and women serving in our military, I think of this picture.

Just thought I'd share.

OP-stay safe.



reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 10:51 AM by Ladysophiaofsandoz
reply to post by Evanzsayz



I just cant wrap my head around the term acceptable losses. Acceptable to whom?

I love the picture of the big baby belly and service man dad. A reminder that these guys and gals are real people with real lives. There are somethings in life that can not be replaced or fixed.


reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 10:58 AM by tracehd1
So you've seen downright nasty comments concerning the Military huh? You're getting sick of people complaining about the Military invading a Country and killing innocent Men, Women and children?

I haven't personally witnessed anyone saying a nasty comment towards the Military..........before Iraq. I've seen compassion towards the Military where Iraq is concerned because they were lied to as much as the public was.

But then we found out the truth....

If you're going to fight in a War....you had better know why your fighting! People are very upset as I am when you see comments like.." thank you hero...for fighting for my freedoms!" I see no- one fighting for my freedoms...but I do see a lot of Power Grabbing, brutality and murder.

I will not stand behind a corrupt government...we Americans are sick of all these Material Driven wars.

I am sick of hearing about little johnny having no other recourse for college other then the military right now. How can you murder someone against false pretenses so you can go to college. The kid you murdered probably wanted the same thing. By enlisting and going back your backing up the lie they used to get there. There is absolutely no reason to be in the Wars we're in now!

Again...the White house is very corrupt. Big Oil, Wall Street, huge Corps...they've taken over and Bush and Obama have accelerated their plan. Just look at whose benefiting from all these Wars. We the people need to be heard .... For instance.. we called the WH and told them NO to TARP...they shut the phones down and Bush threatened Congressional Martial Law. That's corrupt! That's a dictatorship!

How do we stop them? We stop going over to Rich oil and other Earth metals and material Countries and stop killing in the name of.....

There's also been a lot of Military guys right here in the US....they stand side by side w/ the Para-military Police force and intimidate the crap out of us. Just google Military excersizes and Military presence....you'll find pages and pages of examples. There has been threads started asking all Military personnel...if they ask you to turn on the American Public in case of war ...would you? People are that concerned and with reason.

I have no problems with the Military....men in uniform...yummy....but I do have a problem now since I woke up!


reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 11:05 AM by youdidntseeme
reply to post by smyleegrl



That picture definitely shows the human side of our soldiers. Thank you for sharing that, Beautiful.
I will share that as well.

reply to post by cavalryscout


Cavscout,
Always known you were here.
Thanks for chiming in, and for your service.


reply posted on 30-4-2012 @ 11:13 AM by Juston
In my time on ATS, I've learned that the Military is a touchy subject...I learned the VERY hard way with one of my first threads:

I am a Military Recruiter and would like to clear up some misconceptions.

From that point on I found out that it'd be best to just stay away from the subject.

I've just come to accept that everyone has very passionate feelings on the military, both for and against, and I'd rather not be involved in the mudslinging.


But fear not OP, there are supporters.
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