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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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You are right!!Our military members need all the support they can get. Congratulations on your future deployment. My son is in the Airforce and has been for years. He has just made Master Sargent and with that title comes alot of respect. Our troops are special and very brave. They face so many uncertainties when they deploy to different countries in time of war. Their families are right along side of them and go through alot also. I spent a year and a half in Spain with my son and his family and I was amazed. The base was awesome and our service members acted like a big family. They all watch out and support one another. You made the right decision and will be able to go far if you put your mind to it and stick to it. I say "Thank you" . You will be able to see so many beautiful countries and cultures. And yet you might see things that no one should have to see. Just stay strong and know that there are so many Americans that support our armed forces. Stay brave and know that there are angels in that battlefield with you, should you see war. Again, congrats, and take care young warrior.




posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by starkite2003
You are right!!Our military members need all the support they can get. Congratulations on your future deployment. My son is in the Airforce and has been for years. He has just made Master Sargent and with that title comes alot of respect. Our troops are special and very brave. They face so many uncertainties when they deploy to different countries in time of war. Their families are right along side of them and go through alot also. I spent a year and a half in Spain with my son and his family and I was amazed. The base was awesome and our service members acted like a big family. They all watch out and support one another. You made the right decision and will be able to go far if you put your mind to it and stick to it. I say "Thank you" . You will be able to see so many beautiful countries and cultures. And yet you might see things that no one should have to see. Just stay strong and know that there are so many Americans that support our armed forces. Stay brave and know that there are angels in that battlefield with you, should you see war. Again, congrats, and take care young warrior.


Thanks you very much for your kind words. They mean more than you know.

And as for 'Angels on the battlefield,' that title is usually reserve for the medics, which just s happens to be my job. I will take care, of myself and others. And I wish the same for you.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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You are so welcome! Great field to go into. Although you well definately see alot of interesting things. I was in critical care medicine for years and I saw more than I really wanted to but, it is a rewarding career to go into. Takes special people to do it, which tells me you are special. Just remember that!! Good luck to you and take care!



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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The role of the military has changed so much since my day(Ex British Army commisioned officer who served with the Royal Engineers),deployments in the name of the war on terror certainly do engender a great deal of debate whether pro or anti,what strikes me is the large number of anti military opinion that focuses on the morality of the actions in which current military personnel are engaged.With the troops themselves being criticised for blindly following their orders.Unfortunately,that is what we basically contract ourselves to do when choosing a military career,we cannot pick and choose which deployment to accept or reject,regardless of any personal feelings toward such a deployment.The focus in those circumstances is very much upon those for whom you are responsible which truly overides any other consideration.

That's not to say that all military personnel are unthinking unfeeling automatons,we do have opinions and feelings,however,as a soldier your raison d'etre is to concentrate on the task at hand,i.e completing the mission as safely as possible and returning your men (and yourself!) back to loved ones in one piece.

I was subject to a number of combat deployments(4 tours in Northern Ireland and taking part in gulf war 1)
but would in no manner whatsover compare that with the combat duties to which our young men and women find themselves assigned to today,very dirty little wars and they have my sincerest respect and wishes that they return home intact and able to function as human beings,unfortunately,the appaling casualty figures do not bode well for that particular scenario.
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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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I am not a spouse, family member, friend, or in any other way related to a current member of the military, yet I support them, every one of them. They do what they have felt called upon to do, and they do it for us. If the jerks high up in the chain of command ask them to do unpalatable things, it is not their fault. As is the military way, they obey orders. They have to, and so they do. They have to, because that is the way the military works. For that, they are worthy of our respect and gratitude. I hope that all works out well for you in your military future.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Hey, the government is using your money to pay me more than you are making, and to give me food and shelter and healthcare. And I go to other countries to murder and steal and torture to spread the corrupt gvernments fascist idea of democracy, created hate from the rest of the world for us.

Who supports me?

I have a pregnant wife, who's belly I kiss, but I don't mind killing children, women, or pregnant woman.
Civilian, military, foreign, american, for good, for evil, I'll kill it without question, because that's how I make a living, off of your taxes. The same taxes that also paid for the military to brainwash me as a child in our public schools.

But for serious, why you think you special? Maybe potato.

Because any logic that leads from the us military to a good thing is logic from a



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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I would say that while you still have a chance, reconsider joining the Army. They really get treated like crap. If you want to join the Armed Forces of the United States I would first suggest the USAF followed by the USN. I say this because of the quality of life differences.

I served 2 tours in Iraq and the Army really had it bad there. We were living in air conditioned housing while they were sleeping in the dirt outside, living out of their pockets. When I would see big groups of them traveling, none looked very happy and all were very dirty from sleeping in the dirt.

You also can expect to be deployed about a year and a half out of every 2 years so if you have, or plan on starting your own family this will make things quite difficult.

You also have less of a chance of getting a descent technical job that you can transfer over to the outside when you decide to get out. You will most likely be made to do jobs like move furniture or tear down housing, when it has nothing to do with your job, because in the Army you are a soldier first, and in the Marines you are a Marine first.

The Navy would be a far 2nd choice to the Air Force as chances are you will be stuck on a boat for most of your career away from home.

You do not have to go till you give that oath and can back out until then. You would be on the delayed enlistment program and would not be able to join another force for a while (which you could get cancelled by writing to a congressman or senator) And then join the AF and have a much better experience.

You probably wont heed any of my advice, but just remember that when you are eating MRE's every day and cant take a crap, watching all the USAF guys go to the pool and walk around in civilian clothes eating ice cream when your convoy rolls into the main joint base after you have spent the last week getting shot at and sleeping on the ground.

Either way, good luck and I wish you the best.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Hey dude, I am sorry for you... You have no honor, respect,morals nor conscious. I am appalled at your post! Our troops are all that you are not. How would you like it if someone injured or murdered your family member. Shame on you for being so ignorant. Karma WILL catch up with you. I will pray for you in hope when it catchs you, it will be swift. I am sorry for you!!!!!



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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In my actual day to day life, outside of ATS, every single person who knows of my decision has been nothing but supportive, some even going out of their way to congratulate me, wish me luck and thank me for stepping to the plate where so many others will not.

But here on ATS, it seems that the pendulum swings so far in the other direction.


Well,OP, no offense but I don't think the pendulum is tilted on ATS as much as you think, I think you are overlooking the fact that in your personal life it is actually much more weighted the other way. In other words the people around you are your friends, family and acquaintances and even if they think your decision is a horrible idea they will probably bite their tongue and not let you know what they really think, to spare your feelings. ATS is a room full of strangers they don't know you, the are not your friends, family or acquaintances, they have no reason not to let you know exactly what they think, unvarnished and with out pulled punches. Not knocking you just saying, the people in your personal life aren't going to bash you and your decision usually even if they completely disagree with you.

Having said that I will agree that though I have seen many that support the military here, that they are probably a minority on ATS and the reason for that is simple, it's a conspiracy site, many people here have actually researched the out right lies and conspiracies of many governments of the world including the US and after a while those people wake up to the fact that governments lie and don't really care about their people or their soldiers either, just their own gain and power. So, yeah I would agree the majority of people on ATS probably look far different then a forum designed for military people and their families. But, I also think ATS far more reflects the over all makeup of people's opinions then those sites as well.

Now having given my opinion on why ATS may seem unbalanced in the opposite direction to you when compared to people who know you and care about you in your personal life. I will give you my unvarnished opinion on it. And I am not knocking you or other people that serve, nor am I against the military or "anti-military". I have many friends and family that have chosen to serve and much like people that know you I bite my tongue and don't tell them exactly what I think, but I don't know you so I will.

I think it's a bad idea and I find it kind of sad that you will be another disposable soldier, used by the military industrial complex, the corporations, the banks and the corrupt politicians that really run this nation and really start the wars for their own personal gain. I feel saddened that you will go willingly into the battlefield, for I am sure for what you think or good reasons, you will have to dodge bullets, avoid IEDs, kill people, all the while breathing in microscopic particles of radioactive heavy metal, "'not really so' depleted uranium"; which according to the pentagons own scientists prior to the gulf war said in their report can not even be filtered or removed with best filters we have at this time. And with the great deal of evidence coming in still years later from our gulf war ally of Kuwait; reports of astronomically increased cases of spontaneous miscarriages, horrible birth defects, cancers of all kinds, I would say it is also a long lasting weapon of mass destruction despite whatever the military commanders and the US governments position on it is at this time. And I also find it really sad that after your years of service when you come home and in the future develop some "mysterious" illness from breathing that radioactive garbage for months and years on end, the government; the one you are so willing to fight for, will cast you the side like garbage and will not care what happens to you our your family regardless of your medals, military accolades or service.

That is just my opinion on it. I am not knocking you or those that chose to serve and really even though I don't' know you, but just as a fellow human being I wish you well and hope you come back to your family alive and well after your tours, but I am not pulling any punches either.

There is a lot of problems with the US government today, the wars we are fighting and the weapons we are using to fight them and though; I won't knock people like you for it, the blood, sweat and tears of people like you are the oil and gas that keeps the war machine humming and in the end you are all just grist for the mill.

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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:41 PM
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The real patriots never give away their positions, strengths, supply lines, tactics. They exist inside all branches of the US military in large numbers, all ranks. The politicians know this. 'Nuff said. Fear less what the govt. armed forces will do to the common citizen but fear most your neighbor with the collapse of the currency when it becomes required to no longer permit the politicians to do their bidding.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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I fully support, respect and thank the men and women in uniform who protect my right to speak out without fear of reprisals.
There are a lot of us. Sad to hear that you don't know that.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by cavalryscout
Hi.

We are always here sometimes you just can't see us.

When you are right you don't have to yell as loud!


Yup. ARMY, 11 Years OIF/OEF
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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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Ex-recce here mate...

And you adlai:


Originally posted by Adlai
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Hey, the government is using your money to pay me more than you are making, and to give me food and shelter and healthcare. And I go to other countries to murder and steal and torture to spread the corrupt gvernments fascist idea of democracy, created hate from the rest of the world for us.

Who supports me?

I have a pregnant wife, who's belly I kiss, but I don't mind killing children, women, or pregnant woman.
Civilian, military, foreign, american, for good, for evil, I'll kill it without question, because that's how I make a living, off of your taxes. The same taxes that also paid for the military to brainwash me as a child in our public schools.

But for serious, why you think you special? Maybe potato.

Because any logic that leads from the us military to a good thing is logic from a



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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I love and support the troops. God bless every last one and Godspeed on their trip home. Next month would work just fine to my thinking, and they can just get rid of the surplus explosives by destroying every last piece of U.S. equipment and construction we brought there and can't fly home in a month's time.

I hate the mission and it never....ever...should have happened. It's not that fighting back was wrong, but we've now fought two wars where getting ONE MAN was the point and it's 3 if one gives the U.S. much credit for Libya. The next time we think killing one man or a few men is the point? Send a team, not an army.


The important thing ...and what was remembered in the early years but willfully violated now, almost with glee, is that the two things are not the same thing. The war is HELL but the men over there are our friends, neighbors and family members. If they aren't now, they will be or very well could be. We mustn't allow that overlapping. It's what made Vietnam twice as ugly as a bad war ever had to be. Dumping all over the kids who went..... Well..Yeah, it is happening again, far too much.


My 3 cents (and a wooden nickle)



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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I went into the Air Force 2 weeks after graduating high school. I was a F-16 Crew-Chief. I enjoyed my time in the service. Not all of it was cakes and pies by any stretch of the imagination. I support the men and women of all branches of military. They just do what they are told. It is not their fault concerning these wars.

Here is my advice. Keep your eyes on God. Do not let them corrupt you. I mean the "work hard party hard" attitude. That type of attitude will get you no where. Do not let the military use you. You need to use them. Use them to pay for your college while you are in active duty service. Use all the benefits that are available to you. You will earn them; trust me. Make sure that you pick a job that you can use when you get out. They pay 100% while you are in. Pay into the GI Bill. It will help you when you get out.

Pay attention when in all your training even if you think it is stupid or not worth your time. It could save your life and also make you a better member of your unit. While in Basic or Technical Training, do not volunteer for anything! Let the other idiots do that. Basic is the easiest time in the military. You basically need to make one decision; do what you are told exactly as you are told. They tell you when to eat, drink, go to the latrine, shower, wake up and go to bed. Start working out and running now! You don't want to be the fat or out of shape guy.

By the way, if I was you I would look at going into the Air Force. They treat you a lot better. The chow hall is amazing and by far better than any other branch. Trust me, I have seen the Army come onto an Air Force Base in New Mexico and they put cots on the gym floor for the soldiers. The Air Force will put you into a hotel. They actually put my whole squadron in a casino at Las Vegas. The pay grades are the same through all the branches. An E-3 in the Army gets paid the same as an E-3 in the Air Force. So, don't do something stupid like being a sniper or anything like that.

Make sure your recruiter knows the job you want and get it in writing in your contract and sign it along with the recruiter. You will get the best training possible that you can use if you decide to get out after your 4 year tour of duty. Do not sign up for six years to get a bonus either. You will get half the money after you finish training and are at your first duty assignment, but they will take 35% out for taxes. Then the other half is given to you each year for the next 5 years. It just isn't worth it. Heck, what if you hate being in the military and you two extra years to serve? Just go with four years the first time. Most resigning bonuses are much bigger than entry bonuses anyway. My re-enlistment bonus was $60,000 after 4 years of service. I am just giving you sound advice here. Well, good luck and God Speed.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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Alles hail der fuhr und das s.s. und die gestapo!



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 11:30 PM
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If I had been smart enough to realize that the wars that the United States decides to commit to aren't meant to be won, I would have opted out even if I would have had to leave the damned country.... 1969 wasn't a very good time to be a 19 year old disabled Marine Corps combat veteran whose only skills were those of a TACP radio operator that was ground to air liaison attached to a grunt company in Northern I Corps.... There isn't a damned bit of difference between who was prospering then and who is prospering today.... You can figure on making the same minimum wage pay after getting out of the military as the kids graduating from high school make if you can find a job which will be highly unlikely if there is a Republican in the White House.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by Adlai
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Hey, the government is using your money to pay me more than you are making, and to give me food and shelter and healthcare. And I go to other countries to murder and steal and torture to spread the corrupt gvernments fascist idea of democracy, created hate from the rest of the world for us....

Because any logic that leads from the us military to a good thing is logic from a



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by Adlai
Alles hail der fuhr und das s.s. und die gestapo!


Yep, I am pretty sure I do not like you now. Good grief man.....Grow up and be an asset to society instead of a burden!



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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Echo 4 Echo checking in. I'm here as you saw in the other thread. I am a veteran of Operation Phantom fury in Fallujah back in 04/05. I am out now (disabled vet) but, I still support them. I have friends who are still in and still operating overseas. I don't agree with these wars anymore but it's not the troops fault. I'm sure there is a new breed nowadays as when I was in we had what we called the old breed which were guys who had been in for sometime before 911. There is not too many of those left today.

I wish you good luck in your endevour. Remember to just do as your told and boot camp will be a breeze. Hell, just about any Infantry Marine will tell you that boot camp was their easiest time in, and that includes me. It doesn't mean it's by any means easy, just compared to Infantry school and the Fleet it was. So good luck and

"Stay Frosy"

Semper Fi




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