My 7 year old suspened for "sexual harassment"

Originally posted by SoymilkAlaska
i know that what he did was a little weird, and kids to weird things ALL the time.

Why is what he did weird? I personally dont think trhe childs actions are weird at all. What is 'weird' about it?

Originally posted by 4hero

Originally posted by SoymilkAlaska
i know that what he did was a little weird, and kids to weird things ALL the time.

Why is what he did weird? I personally dont think trhe childs actions are weird at all. What is 'weird' about it?

It's not "weird". Kids just tend to act on impulse. They just have to be taught to think things through before they act. It's a natural part of growing up. Now, if an adult ran up to another adult and pulled their pants up - that would be weird.

Originally posted by LadyJae
Poor little ones. They aren't allowed to be children anymore.

Perhaps the best defense is a good offense. It would seem your son was defending himself against a sexual assault by the young girl.

So very, very sad

The sad thing is that in this day and age no one is allowed to be themselves anymore. I don't know how we went from the society I remember when I was in high school to the one we have 20yrs later.

Kids
-Taking pictures of your own kid naked is child porn (how many of you used to be embarrassed when mom showed your girlfriend/wife those pictures of your naked butt or sitting in a tub?)
-Most kids are under the watchful gaze of parents when playing outdoors for fear of predators that may or may not exist. (to much information is sometimes worse ie. sex offender lists*)
-Kids aren't allowed to be disciplined even by their own parents anymore for fear of child abuse charges.
-Proper education is out the roof because to many people are concerned with what can and can't be taught.

Adults
-Teachers/Parents/Others have to walk on pins and needles with kids for fear of being accused of something.
-You aren't allowed to speak out for fear of retribution from your government/work place.
-Have to watch your behavior fear your neighbors might report you for something.
-Unable to freely practice the lifestyles you choose ie gay/straight, pagan/christian.

I would really love to know what the F happened to our freedom, personal liberties, proper parenting, and just all around living. This country has gone to # and the best part is no one really cares. Most people think its better then ever until the little things like this pop up. If you had told me when I was all of 16 that one day my kids wouldn't be allowed to play in the streets, experiment with life, get candy from a neighbor, or be punished when they did wrong. I would have not only scoffed I would have full out laughed at you........ Scary how all of that actually happened.

reply to post by Phantom28804


If you had told me when I was all of 16 that one day my kids wouldn't be allowed to play in the streets, experiment with life, get candy from a neighbor, or be punished when they did wrong. I would have not only scoffed I would have full out laughed at you........ Scary how all of that actually happened.


To add to this....I would've NEVER had kids!

Originally posted by Phantom28804

Originally posted by LadyJae
Poor little ones. They aren't allowed to be children anymore.

Perhaps the best defense is a good offense. It would seem your son was defending himself against a sexual assault by the young girl.

So very, very sad

The sad thing is that in this day and age no one is allowed to be themselves anymore. I don't know how we went from the society I remember when I was in high school to the one we have 20yrs later.

It's called cultural Marxism. Anything which carries the slightest risk of hurting anyone else's feelings has been criminalised. Feminism, the gay movement, and the War on Terror have been cynically used by governments, to create a basis for fascism that the public are mostly willing to accept.

reply to post by petrus4


It is the dark side of the left. Trying to over protect everyone, and everyone's feelings, they are destroying our rights in a way far worse than conservatives ever imagined.

Not that conservatives aren't happily going along with it, being that this political correctness serves their control freak agenda perfectly.

Common sense is, well, uncommon these days.

Originally posted by stuthealien
reply to post by coop039

 

maybe your son is guilty

It saddens me that anyone would use the word "guilty" to describe a 7 year old. Only in America.

Oh sweet lord! I don't know what to tell you!
At age 7, I had a male gym teacher grab me by an ankle and hang me upside down in class (I had a dress on) and showed all the kids my panties. I was mortified and it was an awful experience. Afterwards, he took me in his office and gave me a lollipop and apologized, saying he mistakenly thought I was talking when he was trying to instruct. I took the lollipop AND went straight home and told my mom. My mom was PTA president at one time and marched straight to the principal, who was an older black woman that didn't allow any kind of BS to go on. She took care of it right away and assured my mom that would be the last of any problems. No lawsuits, no one was fired, it was simple and clear and no more problems. Of course the teacher was severely reprimanded and he got his lesson.
This was in the 80's.
Now, I fear, things have been turned upside down. What your son did is pure childhood innocence. No way could he know at that age that was so inappropriate. You don't need to apologize for him..no child is perfect. I don't even understand how his actions could even be remotely misconstrued as a sexual harassment. He is 7 bleeping years old! Exactly as others said, he saw a problem and fixed it. If I were the mom of the girl, I would have laughed about it. It is not like he stuck his hands down her pants, for godssakes.
My five year old tries to fix things, too. One day, his older sister (she is 17) was leaned over doing yoga..he rushed up to pull her pants up as there was a wee bit o' crack peeking out. Also, I leaned over one time at home and my shirt gaped open..he reached over and shut it. I call him my little Modesty Elf. I consider it to be pretty gentleman-ly, actually! LOL
I wish you the best of luck. As for investigations, that scares the bejeezus out of me. Just remain calm. Don't get worked up. Assure them he only meant it to help. Don't flip out, whatever you do..no matter how hard it is.
Also, consider homeschooling or charter if that is an option. You don't want your little guy to hate schooling and learning.

reply to post by coop039



I have seen the way parents are dressing their little girls lately, and while some people have class- the rest are buying them clothes that are down right trashy. Your son being 7 years old doesn't have the same mentality as a young adult male or adult male. My bet is that it was just as you said, but some people out there like to start drama. if it was a learned behavior- possibly it was the other male class mates that convinced him to do it- classmates are very coning and like to railroad other kids to break the boredom of school. This just sounds like someone was trying to make an example out of someone- over something innocent and ill harmed. also, kids do stuff, and even us as adult don't know why they did it (most the time the reason isn't as bad as adults thought). Just be patient and stand your ground- If this little girl and her family do in fact feel victimized there need to be a group conference involving you, and that is only if these parents are the reasonable type. If he was just trying to pull up her pants I bet he thought he was helping her. maybe the family should invest in proper clothes and a belt-.

When i was kid me and mates used to jogs eachother all the time(jogs in ireland is slang for pulling someone troussers down to there ankles) when you are that age you don't understand what you are doing and its a laugh and made the person embarrassed. nothing sexual about it. ffs we even had pissing contest to see or far we could piss.

Originally posted by InsertRelevantMeme
When i was kid me and mates used to jogs eachother all the time(jogs in ireland is slang for pulling someone troussers down to there ankles) when you are that age you don't understand what you are doing and its a laugh and made the person embarrassed. nothing sexual about it. ffs we even had pissing contest to see or far we could piss.

In America, we call it "Pantsing" someone.

I've seen girls and boys alike be "pantsed" all the way up to high school. Nothing sexual about it.

Originally posted by coop039

Originally posted by stuthealien
reply to post by coop039

 

sounds more like he was trying to give her a wedgie ,pull her pants up her backcrack,so it may be the case that your son is a bully and was trying to humiliate this girl,i dont expect you to think clearly about this as it is your son ,and as such you can see no wrong in this....
but please try to consider this from all sides,maybe just maybe your son is guilty

I knew I would get answers like this here. As I said, I know my son isnt perfect, but to bully is not something I have ever seen in his character. And even if it was a wedgie, sexual harassment and possible expulsion is just crazy.

I have no reason to believe his side of the story is untrue, he has always come clean in the past when he has .

He touched her in an inappropriate way, which inclined her to tell the teacher.
This tells me she was offended by it. If she was offended, humiliated by it, and I would have been as well, that is the point of why it is wrong. It's just plain wrong, neither side of the story sounds good.

The charge of sexual nature is debatable.

You just don't go around touching people, adjusting their clothing. Its rude.
I would tell my two year old not to do that.

It's intrusive.
If you think it's ok, there in lies the problem.

I doubt they will persue any criminal charges with the police, so he won't have a record like that.

Originally posted by violet

The charge of sexual nature is debatable.

I doubt they will persue any criminal charges with the police, so he won't have a record like that.

It's not debatable.
Most 7 year old children are not aware enough to preform a sexual based crime.
Honestly the world is going to pot, and this is one of the reasons why.
Stop projecting adult aspects onto kids and then punishing them when they don't act like adults.

He did something wrong, the OP admitted that.
He should be punished, but punished as a 7 year old for doing something stupid that 7 year olds might do.
Treating this as a sexual offense is wrong, and will do more harm to the boy then good.

I swear it's like 1/2 the world grew up and forgot that when we are young we screw up.

As for no record.
They did knock it down to "inappropriate touching", but there is still a record.
Those records follow children until they are 18, and if they screw up as kids do sometimes they can be brought up in school hearings, or criminal hearings.
So from now until the kid is 18 that could cause problems.
Say the OP decides to put their son in a rich private college prep school.
The best college prep schools, actually review the disciplinary records from other schools before admitting someone.
The OP might have to explain the whole "inappropriate touching" incident and that could prevent the kid from getting into a great school.
If they had just made him sit out 1-2 recesses and not play with his friends that would have taught the kid a lesson and it would be done.

Should there be accountability... Yes.
They are freaking kids for crying out loud!
Don't expect them to know right from wrong until they learn the hard way.

reply to post by coop039


I am so sorry to hear this - I can only say that if there were no boundries set by the school previously regarding sexual conduct, and the children aren't taught what the school deems to be inappropriate behaviour, then your son cannot be disciplined on a behaviour/rule he was unaware of. If a little girl has toilet paper hanging out from under her skirt, or her skirt is hitched after a toilet visit, or a boys zip is down, and others don't help, is that not worse behaviour? Allowing another to walk around in an embarrassing way would be to me... A firm talking to would sort any 7 year old out anyway. It's overkill!

Perhaps the best defense is a good offense. It would seem your son was defending himself against a sexual assault by the young girl.

reply to post by coop039


I agree with that statement. Obviously, this girl's parents are confused. It is clear that your son heroicly pulled up this child's pants to protect himself and others from the indecency of her buttcrack. So call the state and file a complaint against her for sexually harassing your son by revealing her rear end. I'm not kidding either. They took a complaint from them, they will take one from you. Then call the media and shout it from the rooftops. I guarantee you those folks will suddenly see the light of day if their innocent little girl is faced with the same accusations as those leveled against your son. Drama stops being so fun if you're the butt of the nasty little joke. Pun intended, by the way.

A couple of years ago my friends son teacher sent a letter home to her saying that her son needed counselling as he hugged a little girl. There was more in this letter saying that he had gone too far and was overly sexual for his age. I know the family well and the little boy often sees his father hug his mother and sister. Nothing overly sexual there. They have hugged in front of me and I see nothing but a normal loving family. The little boy also has given me "Normal" hugs and it is refreshing to see someone show you that they are so overjoyed in seeing you again. Truly nothing that needs counselling and certainly no sexual harrasment. I certainly haven't seen him being overly sexual for his age either. Shame Shame Shame on all this stupidity. People just have no idea now how to act with each other anymore...Seems we can't do anything in case we over step the mark.

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by TKDRL

 

Really ? I raised all boys. All of the have a healthy respect for women.
I know the kids only 7 and I doubt there was anything sexual about this but he did grab her pants. Thats not ok. You wont convince me that it is.

Judging by what you've posted so far they're probably terrified of women.

The girl who got her pants pulled up is probably the daughter of an ugly, fat woman who wears to much make up and tries too hard to be attractive but simply wasnt given much by nature.

So here goes her daughter who is probably just as ugly, wearing ass riding pants to try and be appealing over the other girls and a boy comes along and messes with her. Who cares? How about a simple "keep your hands to yourself" from one of the teachers.

Look moms, your little girls genitals are pieces of skin and society shouldn't suffer because you make genitals out to be like diamonds that all boys supposedly just want to desecrate.

Face it the daughter in this story is probably fat and ugly and a witch hunt against curious little boys or creepy older men wont make them any more attractive than their mom's fat ugly asses were in grade school.

Originally posted by tigertatzen

Perhaps the best defense is a good offense. It would seem your son was defending himself against a sexual assault by the young girl.

reply to post by coop039

 

I agree with that statement. Obviously, this girl's parents are confused. It is clear that your son heroicly pulled up this child's pants to protect himself and others from the indecency of her buttcrack. So call the state and file a complaint against her for sexually harassing your son by revealing her rear end. I'm not kidding either. They took a complaint from them, they will take one from you. Then call the media and shout it from the rooftops. I guarantee you those folks will suddenly see the light of day if their innocent little girl is faced with the same accusations as those leveled against your son. Drama stops being so fun if you're the butt of the nasty little joke. Pun intended, by the way.

Now this is a GREAT idea as it is obvious this whole story carries that modern day flow to it...

1) Create a sexual deviant out of an innocent, unsuspecting person.

2) Go public with "sexual assault" story to get attention / make complainant feel pretty in some sick twisted way.