My 7 year old suspened for "sexual harassment", page 26

reply to post by rtyfx

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What is this, more of that sarcasm? Somehow, I find it hard to believe you are inundated by children standing on your feet and grabbing your legs.

reply to post by FortAnthem

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Frapping A.

The world used to be disciplined. There's a reason.

Adults held children responsible for their behavior.

reply to post by TKDRL

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Five boys, two girls. Well-behaved.

Smacked when they needed it.

Originally posted by rtyfx
reply to post by FortAnthem

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Frapping A.

The world used to be disciplined. There's a reason.

Adults held children responsible for their behavior.

I think we all miss those disciplined days of the Dark Ages. Lord knows how disciplined the Egyptians were when building the pyramids. Hell, not so long ago in America there were the cotton plantations and their discipline. If only we had more disciplinarians. That's exactly what this world needs. More disciplinarians.

Originally posted by rtyfx
reply to post by TKDRL

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Five boys, two girls. Well-behaved.

Smacked when they needed it.

Just never taught the fine art of sarcasm. Smacking good humor that sarcasm, too bad you were "seen and not heard" as a child, you might know what I mean.

Originally posted by rtyfx
reply to post by Pigraphia

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Too bad, so sad.

Suck it up, buttercup.

We aren't going to tolerate inappropriate touching.

It's not a matter of tolerating or not tolerating...

Are you dense?

If the punishment is beyond the scope of what the child can understand they won't learn the lesson.

Your little word play with "too sad", isn't even a valid argument.

It's as if you know nothing on the difference between children and adults.

reply to post by rtyfx

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Sorry that society didn't turn out to be an autonomous,boring, robotic, utopia you hoped it would be.
Wait, no I'm not, that would be boring as hell

Originally posted by rtyfx
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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What I see when I'm out and about are bratty kids throwing tantrums because they don't get what they want at the store.

I see kids running riot.

I see kids tearing the branches off people's trees.

I see their graffiti. I watch them do doughnuts in the Wal-Mart parking.

I'm sick to death of children who don't know me stepping on my feet and grabbing my legs.

Shall I continue?

Children have always been this way, at least for the last 50 years or so (my frame of reference).

I'm just guessing, but your childhood wasn't so great was it? i wouldn't be blaming today's kids because you didn't have any friends or fun.

Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by Aisling

Originally posted by Xaphan
reply to post by UdderlyInsane

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Pfft... "No-contact schools".

That's a good way to make sure a kid grows up emotionally unstable and anti-social. Maybe that's the way the system wants it...

What's next? "No-verbal communication schools"?

I would star your post ten times if I could!

Long story short, a friend of mine was telling me about how her daughter's teacher didn't allow the kids to communicate with one another in her class. They can speak with the teacher and that is it.

Anyone can go to college and study education, graduate, and become a teacher, but that sure does not make them a teacher, a person who likes children, or possess the mental faculties that should be present in common sense and logic when dealing with children.

This proves to me that one of the ulterior motives of the public school systems is to strip kids of all personality, creativity, and individuality. You can tell that the idea of creating little lifeless worker-drone robots excites them to no end. Public schools are just a cookie cutter system. John Lennon ranted and raved about this immensely. The only difference is, it's much worse now than it was back then, and it will continue to get worse, decade after decade.

I am reminded of this scene from The Simpsons. It was intended to be funny, but sadly it's actually becoming a reality...

YouTube Link

Originally posted by Aisling
I would star your post ten times if I could!

Good news, you can! Just go make nine additional accounts!

edit on 26-4-2012 by Xaphan because: (no reason given)

Love your post!
This is my opinon as well. We are sending our kids to a brainwashing factory by sending them to public school....I woke up to that fact and pulled my son from school.

reply to post by rtyfx

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So you had it beaten into you huh? Were you just whacked on the behind? Smacked in the back of your head? Well I'll tell you something, when you come inside with your hands bleeding from hauling hay bales around which were wrapped in thin twine, then you can talk about having discipline beaten into you.

Originally posted by rtyfx
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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What I see when I'm out and about are bratty kids throwing tantrums because they don't get what they want at the store.

I see kids running riot.

I see kids tearing the branches off people's trees.

I see their graffiti. I watch them do doughnuts in the Wal-Mart parking.

I'm sick to death of children who don't know me stepping on my feet and grabbing my legs.

Shall I continue?

You're right to be concerned - because nothing good can come from doing doughnuts in parking lots. Except maybe fun

You don't like kids - do you?

:-)

Criminy - how must you feel about dogs, cats...pigeons - or anything (or anyone) that doesn't mind you?

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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First, to clear something up in my prior post, when I put "continuing on..." I meant that my reply to your post was over, so I never wanted to imply "lawyering up" was meant for you specifically. Sorry about that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the incident happened during a recess or other function when the children were not inside the classroom. And it was a one-time incident by one child. IMO unless there was a rash of such incidences by other students, I don't think a teacher should be using it as a "teaching moment".

Besides, if those teachers are so grossly incompetent, the less said the better.


MY REPLY IS NOW OVER, and I want to add another thought. Yes, it could be embarrassing for a male child to be chased around the playground, cornered/caught, and kissed by a girl. This is why males suffer from society imposed ideas of appropriate/inappropriate behavior. Society agreed that a male child would find that behavior acceptable, so the boy has the problem, according to others.

Fast forward 20 years. Women were/are exclusively viewed by society as the victims of spousal abuse. Men victims of spousal abuse either suffer in silence because such abuse is thought not to exist or told to "be a man" and deal with it, as "head of the house". Also, men can be victims of abuse at a work site.

There are times when society is wrong about what goes on. It is probably painful for some to see a cultural rule change, but what is seen as acceptable/unacceptable can change. Old habits and outdated ideas die hard.

reply to post by desert

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continuing on...I am shocked at how many were quick to dismiss the boy's actions as innocent per reason of age, yet few came to the defense of the girl. She was portrayed too often as close to being a slut, just asking for it. Apparently, few have observed how young children's' butts can be exposed innocently at play, often due to ill fitting clothing on little bodies. Maybe your own butt was exposed at play as a seven year old but no one cared. OTOH if a child's parents dress the child inappropriately for school, then it is up to an adult at the school to inform the parents, to avoid embarrassment to the child.

I have to agree with this desert

throughout this entire conversation - the one thing that keeps hitting me over the head is how quick adults are to judge these kids - completely forgetting that they're kids

not only can a seven year old boy be punished for sexual harassment before he has a working understanding of what that even means - but then, in his defense we see the people who would defend him because, well - her disgusting little butt was showing

I can't help but worry about how kids are supposed to make any sense of all this - how can they help but feel that they're somehow bad children?

I keep trying to imagine how all this works out from a kids point of view

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

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I understand your sentiment. As a parent our goal is to provide our kids with the social skills and discipline they will need to be adequately prepared for the world. In this situation, the reason people were saying things about the girl showing her 'disgusting butt' was to give the OP the ability to counter the girls parents accusations of sexual harassment. I know that as a father of both a boy and a girl, this reaction taken by the little girls parents was -way- over the top. This could have been handled with a lot more tact that wouldn't have confused the two little ones involved, and without the amount of stress this added to the OP who is already stressed as it is being a single working father. This was a complete overreaction.

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