Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Go riot some more, dumbarses.

You Brits are getting exactly what you deserve after the last riots, all the arsonists were using social media to burn everything to the ground as they stayed one step ahead of the law.

Hang on...

Millions of responsible people in the UK were demanding that the Police use reasonable force against those causing the riots. In addition, it's widely accepted that the majority of those rioting were using the CLOSED, SECURE AND ANONYMOUS BBM system provided by Blackberry and not Twitter or FaceBook.

Even if they were using those methods (which in some cases they clearly were) they can be monitored in real time without requiring legislation to monitor every phone call, email, text, url or Skype conversation.

I don't really get what you're suggesting. Because we were not out on the streets stopping rioters we're to blame? Because we didn't let the government snoop on all our communications before it's our fault the riots happened?

The fact is, the Police (conveniently) failed to act to stop the riots, while our government was "out of town" (again conveniently). Within weeks of the riots they had plans drawn up for riot controls and they had a metal wall ready to roll out to protect Parliament in London for the next peaceful demonstration.

They could have prevented the riots from spiraling out of control on the first night, by treating the family of the man shot with basic respect, and then using adequate force to stop those rioting on the first night. The lack of police response was

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
reply to post by denver22

 

"Those who would give up a little liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security" - Benjamin Franklin.

2nd line.

edit on 2-4-2012 by mirageofdeceit because: (no reason given)

Agreed, and enough almost said. another line was "catching under age porn surfers" that could be read in two ways, Denver is obviously not a lawman. Anyway most of us are already tied to the legal system from cradle to grave, dammit we don't even own the car we drive, we are only 'the keeper' in legalese.

pal you wanna start something ???? I meant it both ways. and i am no law man get rid of all the laws then all of them ....

reply to post by denver22


i personally would love to live of the land like it used to be.to be honest make my own way

On a brighter note chocolate rations are up 4 percent!

We mustn't huddle here long, the 'providers' will see us and tattoo us as dissenters. AAnd chip us.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Go riot some more, dumbarses.

You Brits are getting exactly what you deserve after the last riots, all the arsonists were using social media to burn everything to the ground as they stayed one step ahead of the law.

Hang on...

Millions of responsible people in the UK were demanding that the Police use reasonable force against those causing the riots. In addition, it's widely accepted that the majority of those rioting were using the CLOSED, SECURE AND ANONYMOUS BBM system provided by Blackberry and not Twitter or FaceBook.

Even if they were using those methods (which in some cases they clearly were) they can be monitored in real time without requiring legislation to monitor every phone call, email, text, url or Skype conversation.

I don't really get what you're suggesting. Because we were not out on the streets stopping rioters we're to blame? Because we didn't let the government snoop on all our communications before it's our fault the riots happened?

The fact is, the Police (conveniently) failed to act to stop the riots, while our government was "out of town" (again conveniently). Within weeks of the riots they had plans drawn up for riot controls and they had a metal wall ready to roll out to protect Parliament in London for the next peaceful demonstration.

They could have prevented the riots from spiraling out of control on the first night, by treating the family of the man shot with basic respect, and then using adequate force to stop those rioting on the first night. The lack of police response was

You were cut short on words, perhaps to add 'surprising', that's only my take on it. Nowadays, when something bad happens, there is the equally bad but, belated response...Nah! I don't even want to go there.

reply to post by UKWO1Phot

All this terrorist crap makes me piss...

REMEMBER THE IRA?
Real terrorists that blew # up...

Now it's just a bogieman in a burka.
I don't remember this much infringement on my rights when they were at it on the mainland..

Yep....the hypocrisy is galling. When I worked my first ever job in Glasgow (in about 1984) Prince Charles came to visit my bosses shop (she started her business with his trust) They brought round sniffer dogs etc before he arrived and the visit went well. Two weeks later they found the biggest IRA arms cache ever found in Scotland in the basement of the flats directly across the road......it barely made the news.

It wasn't so long ago that Manchester city centre was blown up, It wasn't so long ago that Blair negotiated 'the good friday agreement'/ It wasn't much later that Blair claimed 'we don't negotiate with terrorists' in respect of Al Quaida (The CIA Mujahideen Database).

There was no infringement of our rights when we were victim to real terrorism because they claimed that to do so would be playing into terrorist hands. Why the double standard now? It's obvious the fear mongering is simply an excuse to erode our individual rights. But why? Because they can?

Fun way to look at what some are saying here,....when the automobile became common and was used in criminal enterprise it was unfair that the coppers didn't stay on their horse and buggies to chase them down.

The Riots over there last year proved the lowest element of society will use the latest communication technology to cause the maximum amount of chaos. Whether they responded to it lighthanded or not wouldn't have changed that fact.

As far as a few taking special offense at the connection to the Riots, truth often is painful to acknowledge.
I'll even throw in the connection to arrests made over there of certain so called anonymous groupers. Can't leave their blame out of the equation.

Originally posted by denver22
the law needs to be one step of the person going around hacking, online crime, catching underage porn surfers, identity crimes, terrorists, immigrants, because when these people take to outwitting the law ,so the law must out wit the criminals. Its the digital age and this has to happen regarding keeping up with each other, just like your anti virus programs update update update everything has to catch up with each other because one will strive for new ways to outwit the other and national security.although it is a possability these powers could be abused.I would rather they go ahead with it .IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE THEN WHY WORRY..If it stops a terrorist plot then good, if it stops or catches the bad people then good im all for it.of course things are liable to go wrong but then again wot is fool proof.

We may have nothing to hide, but what happens 3 years from
Now when the law changes and it's an offence to admit any minor crime - so you chat to a friend in what you thought was a private call about how you did 50 down a 40 and a week layer a fixed penalty notice lands on your door.
You criticise govt policy - get struck off electoral register...
Where does this end?!
If the people cannot stand up and put a stop to it - then they won't stop any further draconian laws that can be enforced using this new ability to track ALL communication.
If you are in the UK - sign the epetition online, write to your MPs and councillors at wewritetothem.com - tell all your friends and family, despite how fruitless that may be...keep telling them.
I have and it's beyond a joke the lack of interest...most people just don't care it seems and this is how the govt gets away with it all...

reply to post by facchino


I'm one to talk, being in America. But you guys got 2 options being the try-out country.

1. Everybody abandon cell phones, telephones, and internet. Go back to the world before 1995.
2. Protest as a country, and shut your parliament down.

One or both of those options will comandeer enough panic and melee to stop commerce and make them take the people SERIOUSLY.

The thing about living in a free and democratic country, is that crime will exist and even terrorism. But, I would rather have these security risks and remain in a free society than to clamp down on society with draconian security measures. I'm not scared of terrorists, I'm not scared of criminals. In a free society you take your chances.

I am scared of an over bearing government who seeks to monitor the behavior of all it's citizens. Collectively punishing society for the few wrong uns out there.

Would people be happy to have their post delivered mail opened by a government body before you get to see it. Because that's exactly what they are doing here.

I'd like to ask if the people who say "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear". Do you close the door on the bathroom when you go for a number 2, or keep it open for all to see your business?

reply to post by TinfoilTP


Wrong on that assumption, It was gangs who were using their mobiles and their blackberries to send messages to others, telling them where to go and loot shops.

There were only a few who used social media such as face book to incite riots.

So get your facts right before you spout more crap thank you very much.

And not all Brits were rioting so you are wrong once again.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Wrong on that assumption, It was gangs who were using their mobiles and their blackberries to send messages to others, telling them where to go and loot shops.

There were only a few who used social media such as face book to incite riots.

So get your facts right before you spout more crap thank you very much.

And not all Brits were rioting so you are wrong once again.

Never said all Brits were rioting.
The majority wanted a weakhanded response though.
It only takes a few to ruin it for the many. Thanks for agreeing with me.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


"you brits are getting exactly wot you deserve" i think it says pal ,so you did say it it is there in black and white

reply to post by AnonymousFem


thats right lady we are not all deserving of it

Originally posted by denver22
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

"you brits are getting exactly wot you deserve" i think it says pal ,so you did say it it is there in black and white

edit on 3-4-2012 by denver22 because: changes

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That does not say I said all Brits were rioting.
It does refer to they are getting what they asked for by the majority of the population demanding a wimpy response to rioters. It allowed the riots to escalate far further than normal and now this is what you get for it, more laws with security to catch em before they go berserk. That is the message the public gave the govt. They don't want to see what is necessary to take down a riot so the only alternative is to stop them before they happen.

You all asked for it so stop the whining.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


Mate be a little specific when you post, because you said and i quote YOU BRITS ARE GETTING EXACTLY WOT YOU DESERVE .you make it sound as a whole or that we are all to blame .We can not all be responsible for their actions,anyone would think that you imply us all to be rioters wtf. please leave my 92 year old grandma out of it she lost her super rioting powers in the 50s ok.

You sir are something out of the "wizard of oz" tinfoil tin man needs not a new heart but a new brain with some manners with it.saying "all you brits deserve wot you get".It is not fair and just plain rude my opinion, I love americans and do not say that they deserve all they get, "you sir need to oil up on some manners"

Originally posted by denver22
You sir are something out of the "wizard of oz" tinfoil tin man needs not a new heart but a new brain with some manners with it.saying "all you brits deserve wot you get".It is not fair and just plain rude my opinion, I love americans and do not say that they deserve all they get, "you sir need to oil up on some manners"

edit on 3-4-2012 by denver22 because: CHANGE

Common place response, dont like the message attack the messenger.

I see three groups of varying responsibillity,
1) the rioters, few to be sure
2) the majority who let the govt know they have no stomach to take on a riot
3) the remaining who either stayed silent or were ready to bust some heads in to defend their own, they became the minority who got the shaft from both ends. Blame the rioters and your wimpy neighbors who sided with the majority opinion at the time. When that don't work look in the mirror and blame yourselves for letting these new laws happen by not having a loud enough voice back when it was needed.

There I have included all Brits, happy?
Do continue whining about it though.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


Ach we managed to organize the occasional riot perfectly well long before the advent of the net, mobile phones, facebook and twitter. How did we do that again? Oh yeah.....it used to be called talking.

Tell you what.....we'll all be good boys and girls all the time and promise not to do a thing as the government screws us all into the deck for the sake of big business and personal gain. We'll just accept it and everything will be just fine. 'There there now, hush, don't worry about a thing, big brother will "take care" of you.'