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reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 04:23 PM by fakedirt
Originally posted by cranspace
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post by fakedirt


This is a right liberty cctv cameras everywhere registration plate readers in service stations
You can't go about your own business without being tracked


this is important for many reasons and one must make the distinction between the right to protect the public from harm on the streets (safety), in their cars (non insured drivers) against intrusion into something i see as a basic tenet of freedom.
they have been monitoring all communications for years now. ever read spycatcher by greengrass, the one which maggie banned due to it's sensitive nature? the echelon system, gchq, local government footsoldiers who gather intel on individuals via various organisations,clubs, womens institute military wing assassination by marmalade (joke!).

imo the issue is about control. the gubbermint are seriously concerned about extremists of all flavours and did itself no favours being caught up in fake wars to grab resources and in the meantime the media drive the suggestions (discreetly implied) that one never knows who or where the enemy will appear. it could be the man next door. it could be the lollipop lady or scout master. it could be anyone and as such we are all under the spotlight.
if you think the pressure is on now, wait until all legislation borne through various private interests and multinationals take effect. they will always be prepared to use violence to sustain their tenureship whether it be from external threats or their 'own' citizens. the balance between state and individual is already out of kilter.
time and pressure will take their effect.
f.


reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 04:32 PM by Alien44
reply to post by rigel4



Here Here! totally agree and it will happen. Best not disturb the peace, what!



reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 05:25 PM by Wolfenz
A new law - which may be announced in the forthcoming Queen's Speech in May - would not allow GCHQ to access the content of emails, calls or messages without a warrant. But it would enable intelligence officers to identify who an individual or group is in contact with, how often and for how long. They would also be able to see which websites someone had visited.

www.bbc.co.uk...

BIG MOTHER is WATCHING YOU



Well sorta Maybe Sorta ...


Big Mother is Watching You

"Mother should I trust the government..."

At Country becoming more Orwellianish Oceania

1984 George Orwell Movie Trailer (1984)



So it back to Pencil and Paper is it ?

Like Writing in Winston's Smith's Diary


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reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 05:29 PM by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by NullVoid



I would also change my MAC address, use public wifi, in conjunction with tor and HTTPS and use a very common browser that does not have a unique browser fingerprint:

panopticlick.eff.org...


reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 05:43 PM by christina-66
reply to post by Iamschist



In our favor is mass, like fish there are so many of us, they can't be watching us all the time, have to use machines and key actions, looks, words to pick out the ones to look at closer. That leads to people like me, who set them off on purpose


You too Direct action on this one would be easy peasy if we all did exactly that. A mass 'I'm Sparticus' movement. It would render the tool obsolete and might actually get these characters bums off their seats and out doing their job. Never mind catching terrorists - how about catching the occasional burglar.


reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 06:08 PM by intrptr
reply to post by AR154


Internet firms will be required to give intelligence agency GCHQ access to communications on demand, in real time.

As scary and out of bounds as that may sound, it really is a pipe dream on the "watchers" part. They want us to be "very afraid" of that we say, but the reality is far... for instance: last I heard there are 20 hours of video being uploaded on YouTube every minute of every day. On YouTube alone.

Even with word recognition or source affiliation search engines working full time, that is still a ton of stuff to act upon. And even if they do have a list, you know how long its going to take to round everyone up that said something "bad"? And detain them, convict them and sentence them to a limited # of jail cells? At the current speed of justice today, that will take exactly forever.


reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 06:48 PM by zigguratvertigo
Storing & monitoring all Telecom data already happened in the UK years ago. It just shows how bovine the British are - only when the MSM announce something do the cattle raise their heads from the grass.

Also GCHQ doesn't NEED to apply for ISP permission to get communications on demand. It doesn't NEED a warranty. GCHQ spent reportedly £1 billion on installing "black box" probes across the online infrastructure. That was 3 years ago. They already have access to well, basically everything.

GCHQ-denies-plans-to-monitor- all-internet-use-and-phone-calls

The UK already retains:
All Telephony Data (but not the call itself) - for 12 months.
SMS, EMS and MMS Data - for 6 months
ISP Subscriber Information - for 12 months
ISP Data (log-in/log-off, etc) - for 6 months
Email Data (headers basically) – 6 months.
Web Activity Logs – retention period 4 days (yeah, sure. This is more like 6 months in line with EU data retention directive)
Also...
Postal data ( Information written on the outside of a postal item)- retention period unknown.
Banking data - retention period seven years.
Vehicle movement data - retention period two years

Source : wikipedia

I worked for an ISP for 10 years, and I can tell you for a fact that they never deleted a single expired subscriber account in that period. Why?.. simple. There are no government audits, and personal information has value. You are not protected by the law despite the Data Protection Act, because nobody oversees the implementation of the Act.
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reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 08:08 PM by Evanzsayz
reply to post by AR154



They basically already do it, everything is monitored in UK. They even tried to get into my computer my firewall blocked The british council I even have their ip address. Oh yeah I live in the USA.
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reply posted on 1-4-2012 @ 08:41 PM by EarthEvolves
reply to post by AR154



Why do the British people put up with all of this?

Come to think of it, why do we in America put up with all of this?

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