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Coming to the beating part. The Maximum a man can do if his wife is being disloyal to him (cheating for example) is leaving her alone at night in her bed, if that doesn't stop the behavior, he has a right to beat her, but not on her face, and not in a manner that would abuse her physically. We are taught that this is preferable to outright divorcing someone and ruining their life and marriage. If that doesn't work, he divorces her. As you can see, there are levels of treatment.
This doesn't bother me one bit. Why? because first of all I know the man I choose to marry will know exactly what to do if I cheat on him. He knows the boundaries set by God. If he goes out of those boundaries, he will pay for it in the hereafter severely.
And a lot of women would prefer to be beaten on the buttocks a little then outright divorced. Well, if they prefer the latter than they're not very sane in my opinion.
You don't think I wasn't faced with Muslims who told me outright to my face that I wasn't a 'good' Muslim simply because I didn't fit into their 'expectations'? You don't think they judged me simply because I wasn't covering my hair in a certain way (a lot of countries have their own version of hair cover and some of them are so ignorant they think hey, if you don't cover like this then you're not a Muslim)
You don't think I came across men who thought they could take me down by simply stating hadith that worked for them but left out the ones that worked for me? Oh I've been facing them all my life. And I'm so sick and tired of it I choose to stay away from the extreme ones who think its all about the looks and the constant praying and vigilante judging of others. All the while forgetting that God also requires them to educate themselves, to read a book occasionally, maybe enlighten their minds with something beyond the daily repetition of the same sentences that turns into a kind of brainwashing technique.
Originally posted by cavtrooper7
reply to post by nusnus
Very well what solution does Islam give the western world about Islamic aggression,now.Your revenge for prior acts by our corrupt leaders or others above them is proving to be fatal.
This isn't just a tit for tat exchange business as usual.We do not want to do any of this, but the responses to attacks are almost automatic and very messy.
Expose the training camps and stop the Wahabist factions before this reaches critical mass.Oil is losing popularity.When the world moves on the middle east will be left to stew in it's own juices.
Originally posted by ImaMuslim
What you're not seeing here is that, no matter if the country is muslim or not these problems will occur,
#3377 - Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Yaaqub Calls for the Implementation of Islamic Punishments in Egypt: Execution, Crucifixion, and the Amputation of Opposite Hands and Feet
Al-Nas TV (Egypt) - March 16, 2012 - 02:07
so please do not try to put the blame on "islam", one muslim does not represent islam,
the Scriptures ( the Koran ) and the Sunnah ( teachings of Muhammed ( peace be upon him) represent Islam. So please try to find texts in the Koran or the Sunnah that justifies the actions of "honour killings" and then tell me that the problem is islam.
As I see it, the number of Pakistanis killed by US drones are far more than what's killed by "honour",
since you haven't read about the honour in the killing and how it's justified, I hesitate to believe that you know what you're talking about.
Who says that these "honour killings" are not better for the community?
I highly doubt it's the way you understand it. Let's say for example that I killed someone and the family of the victim wants justice. What are they suppose to do? According to Islamic laws they have a few options, forgive him, take ransom, or order him to be executed. The forgiver is the best of them. Now if they order me to be killed, then it's an "honour kill" which is the way it's suppose to be.
Western laws are corrupt
and incapable of adapting the Islamic laws,
If we do not kill the killers they will only kill more, Jail isn't going to help. Have you ever seen it help, does it help in most cases?
I think America is the best example of, economical corruption, maffia rule, public propaganda and mass slaughtering of humans.
Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
But it still leaves things open to interpretations and abuses, which again is just a cultural difference and ultimately a choice, I would take it some women would rather take a bit of a beating then face divorce, and some would take divorce over any sort of beating or hitting any day of the week. A non issue, an extrapolating choice that is not taken in measure but by those who do.
Are there any muslim women torturing and burying alive muslim men? I doubt it.I suppose it only works one way,men controlling and dominating and murdering women...
Originally posted by h_jordan
i am a middle eastern Ex-Muslim, i am telling you facts, this is not my opinion, Islam has nothing to do with the honor killings, it is a cultural thing, tribes in Arabia did it in pre-Islamic era, some of them buried their new born daughters so they won't be able to dishonor their parents when they grow up, Islam wasn't present yet, Islam considered this act forbidden, the punishments of adultery are very clear in Islam, and it applies to both adulteress and adulterer, honor killing is a cultural thing not an Islamic law.
whoever sees otherwise please bring the verse from Quran or a Hadeeth of Mohammad that disputes what i just said
Originally posted by nusnus
reply to post by BO XIAN
This cleric you're talking about, if he even remotely suggested crucifixion, I would question his entire understanding and knowledge of Islam since crucifixion is no where near allowed in any of the teachings. A big fat WTF is in order.
As for the rest of them, Islam only allows for punishment within boundaries. It does not allow for mass murderous mayhem of taking justice into ones own hands, killing off family members who were guilty of murder for example, or something as deplorable as honor killing. Which by the way is such BS I cannot begin to understand why anyone would think it has to do with religion when its all about family pride and ego.
The most a Muslim can do is go to court, complain and have a public trial in which the judge passes sentence onto the person who is complained upon. And with most cases of adultery and what not, they have to find 3 eye witnesses, or the persons own admittance.
Again, ignorance at its best. The Prophets cousin and son in law, Ali was reported to have faced a man at war, who spit in his face right before Ali plunged his sword in him. Once the latter was done, Ali stopped in his tracks and let the man go. The man not understanding why Ali would do this, asked him to explain himself to which Ali replied: "I was going to take your life for God's sake, but after you spit on my face, I could not guarantee that I wouldn't do it for my own sake. So I chose to let you go"
Originally posted by BO XIAN
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Ameliaair
No they are not. Domestic abuse in the west is an individual criminal act, opposed by society in general, frowned upon and outlawed / prosecuted. Honor killings such as those in Pakistan are often collective acts, supported by society and not prosecuted, even embraced.
[color=3300FF]BIG difference.
(emphasis added)
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
Except that Islam includes in the founding documents the exhoration that lying is quite 'righteous,' in behalf of Islam, I'd be shocked that anyone could claim otherwise.
We have plenty of our own flaws in the West. But we're not all absolutely lobotomized idiots.
Originally posted by nusnus
reply to post by BO XIAN
The BBC does a much more better job of it, infact, the British do a much more better job of reporting the facts than any of the US media conglomerates do. I have a lot of respect for the British, even though they do not like discussing the fact that they raped and pillaged the entire subcontinent of India for 200 years straight.
If you were truly sincere in helping these people, you'd do so not by the moves of a man who looks like he cares but secretly (or not so secretly), feels that he and his entire culture and religion are far more superior over them, but by the moves of a person who wants to help because he likes helping.edit on 24-3-2012 by nusnus because: (no reason given)
Muslim men,their kind of hard not to hate,when its realized that they rape,torture and bury alive women,even under age teenage girls again and again and those sickening acts are all backed up and supported by their culture,their leaders and their religion and they are malevolent and very evil...
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Do you realize how many women are killed by their Husbands in the US anually?
You might want to check if your Glass House is stone proof.
Next Muslim Hating Thread in 5..4..3..2..1..
Muslims do commit mass murder,slowly but surely,one sickening death at a time...
Originally posted by nusnus
reply to post by BO XIAN
This cleric you're talking about, if he even remotely suggested crucifixion, I would question his entire understanding and knowledge of Islam since crucifixion is no where near allowed in any of the teachings. A big fat WTF is in order.
As for the rest of them, Islam only allows for punishment within boundaries. It does not allow for mass murderous mayhem