Nearly 1,000 Pakistan women 'killed for honour'

reply to post by totemcrocodile


What? Thinning their herd? Are you actually sane when you say that?

There is no need to thin any herds here, but to live with complete equality.

Originally posted by Unity_99
Who has the right to dictate morality to others and also to harm anyone, I don't care what a persons crime is supposed to be, but brutality is Hellzone Stuff!

I personally do not believe that a person should be physically punished for the consumption of alcohol or other intoxicants, if no harm has come to other individuals as a result of it. That is not just; it is simply barbaric, and Muslim apologists here are unlikely to be able to provide an argument that will convince me otherwise. Law can exist for the sake of genuine social benefit, yes; but it more frequently exists for the sake of evil geriatrics, who crave control of the rest of a society, for control's own sake.

7. AND Iesus said unto them, Behold a new law I give unto you, which is not new but old. Even as Moses gave the Ten Commandments to Israel after the flesh, so also I give unto you the Twelve for the Kingdom of Israel after the Spirit.
8. For who are the Israel of God ? Even they of every nation and tribe who work righteousness, love mercy and keep my commandments, these are the true Israel of God. And standing upon his feet, Jesus spake, saying:
9. Hear O Israel, JOVA, thy God is One; many are My seers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence.
10. Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit. nor yet torment it.
11. Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use.
12. Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet any thing which bringeth disorder to your health or senses.
13. Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy.
14. Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor wilfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them.
15. Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you.
16. Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the holy Name.
17. Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the Teachers of Righteousness.
18. Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong.
19. Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits Of the earth, and live long in the land.
20. Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest the Seventh Day from labour, keeping holy the Sabbaths and the Festival of your God.
21. Ye shall do unto others as ye would that others should do unto you.
22. And when the disciples heard these words, they smote upon their breasts, saying: Wherein we have offended. O God forgive us: and may thy wisdom, love and truth within us incline our hearts to love and keen this Holy Law.
23. And Jesus said unto them, My yoke is equal and my burden light, if ye will to bear it, to you it will be easy. Lay no other burden on those that enter into the kingdom, but only these necessary things.
24. This is the new Law unto the Israel of God, and the Law is within, for it is the Law of Love, and it is not new but old. Take heed that ye add nothing to this law, neither take anything from it. Verily I say unto you, they who believe and obey this law shall be saved, and they who know and obey it not, shall be lost.

This is the only Law which I recognise as legitimate, although I do not claim to always adhere to it as well as I perhaps could. There is no other law which is legitimised by anything other than force.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Unity_99
Who has the right to dictate morality to others and also to harm anyone, I don't care what a persons crime is supposed to be, but brutality is Hellzone Stuff!

I personally do not believe that a person should be physically punished for the consumption of alcohol or other intoxicants, if no harm has come to other individuals as a result of it. That is not just; it is simply barbaric, and Muslim apologists here are unlikely to be able to provide an argument that will convince me otherwise. Law can exist for the sake of genuine social benefit, yes; but it more frequently exists for the sake of evil geriatrics, who crave control of the rest of a society, for control's own sake.

is the only Law which I recognise as legitimate

No one is forcing you to become Muslim are they? Not recognizing my religious law is fine, no one is forcing you.

But when you say you do not recognize it because it is barbaric or unjust to give 80 lashes for drinking alcohol I feel impelled to enlighten you that it is preventative of a societal harm, as well as a personal harm. There are many models with which to govern people, socialism, communism, ,democracy, republic, monarchy and so forth yet all these sets of laws come from the mind of man. In our society we have a higher law, one that comes from Allah (God).

it is simply a choice of what set of laws and punishments a particular society is choosing to be governed by, this was our choice. No one is forcing you to have our values, yet you wish to force us (under penalty of death if we refuse) to have your values. Do you not find this strange?

As far as why Islam considers alcohol an evil that should be prevented and/or stopped in self or society is seen clearly here;

www.nhs.uk...

^^^ Whether a little or a lot alcohol is bad for you, the effects are only seen after longer terms of drinking, and the effects of only a small amount are unknown, but believed to be damaging as well


www.dailymail.co.uk...

^^ drunk people are often violent and abusive toward women


www.thedenverchannel.com...

^^^ drunk people abuse and rape women

www.nydailynews.com...

^^^ drunk people can become verbally abusive and kill people


www.thedenverchannel.com...

^^^ drunk people do not have the facilities to operate machinery and others are not safe around them


losangeles.cbslocal.com...

^^^ drunk people do not have full use of faculties and are unable to use reason and safety which makes being in their general vicinity deadly


forums.nonewbs.com...

^^^ drunk people will go to the length of torturing and raping a child in a church


As you know, the hudud punishments are to prevent others from doing something, and they do work. It is perhaps our societal standards of how safe we would like our families and children and wives etc are exceedingly different.

But again, no one is forcing you to conform to our laws. The opposite is true, it is you who want us to conform to your values. Thank you but you can keep your values and I will keep mine.

reply to post by BO XIAN


People in the world are heartless

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I could argue the things you said and turn them on there head upside down and any which way I so chose...But to each there own, after all it just seems to be a difference of opinions and seeing things in different perspectives.

But you know for a supposed religious nutter person you actually seem pretty sane to me. Now if they all could be more like you we would have less problems going on with this thing.

It is always a choice. Thats why Islam adds so much importance to actions, and IF you want to live a proper life, a righteous life, one that is full of enlightenment and good will for all, that flows over to the other side and guarantees a happily ever after, you would watch every action you take. There is no one to die for you or save your soul, you do your own saving IF you're actually interested in it that is.

I need no religion or god to do any or all of the above.

But how does one know that they are not interpreting things based on their own ego, instead of what is INTENDED? There are ways to do that, but thats a whole different story and I don't want to deviate too much from the subject.

By always comparing and contrasting patience and knowing that everything passes and is picked up by there ego and therefore interpreted by there ego no matter what. It's as simple as know thyself, which is not simple at all.

Edit: If every thief in the land had their hand cut off, and by thief I do mean people who don't do it out of hunger or need but out of pure greed, do you think they'd have the guts to do it again? besides, the fear of having been marred for the rest of your life as a thief, should be enough to stop you from thieving in the first place. But if we have a way to know for sure that this person WAS a thief, thru genetic testing, having a file in the government etc, then cutting the hand off is unnecessary, since the purpose isn't just to punish the person, its to warn society and deter them from doing it in the first place.

A simple way of looking at it, but ya its purpose is to warn society and deter them from doing it in the first place. But even if accomplished, do not be surprised that thieving will not be abolished or stop. Only thing I completely agree on that whole thing is that, it is better to give some sort of punishment to real thief's instead of incentives, or as it's done in some places and countries giving them honors and medals.

Send all the women guns & ammo. Lots of it.
Do it here too, wtf.
Let's see if you silly dicks can behave.

Religion is stupid and anyone who really requires a taboo or sin to keep them from doing wrong is an idiot anyway. If these people are so evil as to kill off the best half of the population, perhaps they need help with the stupid half as well. Leave a handful of women alive and see if they can get it right.

Religion was created by the elite to keep the masses servile. Now they want Agenda 21 to clean up the resulting mess. Pathetic. Disgusting.

And you think ETs want to cozy up to unevolved trash like us?

Piss you off?
Good... maybe it'll force you to think...

reply to post by totemcrocodile


Your post is probably one of the nastiest I have seen on here - ever.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Originally posted by ironorchid
reply to post by totemcrocodile

 

Your post is probably one of the nastiest I have seen on here - ever.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm not going to judge him. I've seen posts like that on here all the time. I've probably made some myself.

Originally posted by Observ321
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

People in the world are heartless

Thats because we have been slowly but surely turned into a greed driven society overflowing with people posessed by materialistic illusions and so we have mostly lost our ability to express empathy, compassion and love towards eachother...

Originally posted by Star128
Piss you off?
Good... maybe it'll force you to think...

"Woman good, man bad," isn't exactly what I consider rational thought.

reply to post by petrus4


There was a time when you only saw posts like that during the school holidays but seems like school's out on this site most of the time now.
I've had it with this thread - too many bigots for my liking ( not refering to you by the way! )

reply to post by ironorchid
What this thread is doing is exposing evil,the brutal and diabolic slaughter of women all across the islamic world and we aint seen nothing yet...

Just wait,watch and see what cataclysms errupt when some nuclear capable country sells the jihadists atom bombs,perhaps russian suit case nukes,each one equal to a hiroshima or nagasaki...

Thats when all hell will be unleashed upon western civilization,because the muslims hate with an extreme passion the way we think and act...

Because they are brainwashed throughout their entire lives since early childhood and forced with continuous threats of death hanging over their heads if they dont bow down to that invisible man in the sky allah (satan,imo) and trained to think and act like he is the light and the way,when in actuality,he doesnt even exist...

And if there really are endless supplies of virgin women waiting beyond the grave for those muslim sickos who kill themselves,then why dont the demented muslim leaders who are telling them to do it,strap themselves up with high explosives,blow up some innocent people and obtain the virgins for themselves?

Heres an excellent book to read and absorb if you can find it > Demons in the Smoke of the World Trade Center:The Invasion of Evil Spirits and the Blight of Islam www.amazon.com...

reply to post by Jameela
Maybe tomorrow will be the day i'll get down on my knees and start praying five times a day to "the god" i've never seen,heard,touched,tasted or smelled before,allah (satan,imo),but tomorrows always a day away,isnt it?

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Jameela

 

Maybe tomorrow will be the day i'll get down on my knees and start praying five times a day to "the god" i've never seen,heard,touched,tasted or smelled before,allah (satan,imo),but tomorrows always a day away,isnt it?

edit on 26-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

I'm curious. Even assuming, hypothetically speaking, that Muslims were exclusively monsters; (which of course they are not, in reality) how does it improve the situation by you being similarly monstrous (even if only rhetorically) yourself?

Originally posted by Jameela
No one is forcing you to become Muslim are they? Not recognizing my religious law is fine, no one is forcing you.

You, as one specific individual, might not be. There are plenty of people who would, quite happily. My single greatest fear where Islam is concerned, is being faced with a situation where I am told to convert or die. I no longer believe that the ongoing Islamic subjugation of the planet will reach a sufficiently advanced state within my own lifetime, that this need be a valid fear for me; but it may well occur within the next three generations or so.

You yourself may have a desire to allow other societies to continue to exist, Jameela; but there are a very large number of Muslims in this world who do not share that. I truthfully resent the implication that Muslims are exclusively innocent victims. I know better, and I would appreciate it if you did not pretend that you do not.

I can be diplomatic in communication with Muslims on this forum, and I will, to a degree, even act as an apologist for you myself, in the case of others whose opinions I consider to be unjust; but at the same time, I will not tolerate any insinuation that the Islamic camp is itself entirely free of wrongdoing.

it is simply a choice of what set of laws and punishments a particular society is choosing to be governed by, this was our choice. No one is forcing you to have our values, yet you wish to force us (under penalty of death if we refuse) to have your values. Do you not find this strange?

To start with, I am not an American. Granted, there is sufficiently little difference culturally, between Australia and America, that that is almost a moot point at the current time, but still.

On an individual basis, however, I also have no desire whatsoever to force Muslims to convert to my own belief system on pain of death. Given that a major concern of mine is a belief that at least some of them would do such with me, if I did adopt that stance, I would be a hypocrite.

It is correct that the American government wishes to subjugate the rest of the peoples of the world, to its' own culture and system of morality. I do not condone that. I fundamentally believe, however, that the primary reason why a state of conflict exists between America and Islam, is because the two are competing empires.

It is therefore just as dishonest to claim that there is no Islamic desire to superimpose that religion's values on the rest of the human population, as it would be for the Americans to claim that such is not their desire. Imperialism is the goal in both cases, not merely one or the other.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Well if you don't believe in the other side, ofcourse you don't

I should have added that there.

But for people like me, who see a far more greater meaning in life than just being born, eating, #ting, socializing and dying and getting away with whatever I could get away with, religion is a simple means to an end.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Jameela

 

Maybe tomorrow will be the day i'll get down on my knees and start praying five times a day to "the god" i've never seen,heard,touched,tasted or smelled before,allah (satan,imo),but tomorrows always a day away,isnt it?

edit on 26-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

I'm curious. Even assuming, hypothetically speaking, that Muslims were exclusively monsters; (which of course they are not, in reality) how does it improve the situation by you being similarly monstrous (even if only rhetorically) yourself?

I work with a hard core muslim man whos around 50 years old and he tells people very plainly and bluntly that the main goal of islam is to make the entire worlds human population muslim and eliminate all those who will not bow down to allah and that someday it will be that way...

Knowing that vast multitudes of muslim men and even women are not afraid to die,are not afraid to blow themselves up and muslim men who enjoy kidnapping and beheading people,stoning to death people,hanging people in the streets from portable cranes and raping,torturing and burying alive young women in the name of allah...

And knowing that pakistan has nuclear weapons,the hell bent islamic people must be stopped by western civilization with extreme prejudice before its ever able to destroy entire american cities with those weapons and if they could they would today,in the name of allah...

And so thats what must be done,fight fire with fire,with the same solidarity and bravery and retaliatory force the allies used to against germany and japan to hammer and slam them into utter submission,before its too late to do anything about it...

Islam has sown the wind against western civilization and now they should reap a very violent and extreme whirlwind of destruction...

And so after evacuating the women willing to leave and children to safety no matter what the cost...

We should then send a relentless deluge of missisle and 1,000 bomber air raids night and day and carpet bomb the muslim world back into the stoneage...

And after watching the crowds of muslims jumping up and down laughing and screaming and chanting "death to america" "death to america" while burning the usa flag and for all those who died in the flaming wreckage of 911, the muslim world should have already been crushed and trampled back into the stonage...

Even if one american child was killed by a muslim jihadist from iran,i would have ordered the american airforce to obliterate tehran,if i was in the position to do so,to try and ensure they would never dare to do it again...

Heres a very sad link that must be watched as the many faces of women murdered in the name of allah (satan,imo) flash before your eyes and some of them Are Little Girls! and hmmmm?...I Wonder Why Most Of These Women killed Were Young And Beautiful?

The blood thirsty muslim men were probably overly paranoid about their beauty leading to their temptation (how could muslim men be expected to live with themselves if they upset the invisible man in the sky?) and so they killed their servants,their property,their pets...i mean their women > www.mypracticalphilosophy.com...

Sword Of Islam > www.masada2000.org...

Heres life in muslim iran...I mean hell...Mass hangings In Iran > chasblogspot.blogspot.com...

5 Pakistani Muslim Women Buried Alive,Killed In The Name Of Honor > www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Malynn

 

I'm assuming this has'nt happened to you,but if you had two teenage daughters dragged away by muslim men and then raped,tortured and buried alive,you would probably be singing a different tune and you would most likely be screaming for vengeance against them...

edit on 24-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

*snorts* Of course I'd be upset if I had a daughter who was raped. But I would be upset about that happening to my daughter at the hands of anyone. And I'm certainly not ignorant enough to hate an entire religion because of it. If a Christian raped your daughter would you hate all Christians? Of course not.

I'm afraid the time has come for me to leave this horrifying fantasy land of a thread. Take care everyone.