Time to ban the Burqa?

Just curious, as I havent had time to read every page, if asked to remove the bruqa for identification, would they?
Is so, Im not sure I see an issue, but if they refuse to identify themselves its a whole other issue.

The point is your religion should not allow you special consideration in the eyes of the law.
why do we have to make exception for religious groups where they think that due to their religion they
can circumvent the law .

We are not allowed to conceal our faces in public as its a known security risk in the UK
(which I dont agree with because people should be able to cover their faces if they want.)
Those with facial injuries or people with psychological issues who dont want people
to look at them or something along the lines of that

people are innocent until proven guilty apparently
However the law is the law , and we are told that we cant cover our faces because
we are concealing our identities and should have nothing to hide in the first place
if we are innocent.

Next we will be banning face masks on halloween - and that is a spooky thought.
I would be outraged as halloween is my favourite holiday .

I just dont see why religious groups can have their way with our judical system
if we are to be civilised law abiding human beings , then we should all have to submit
to laws equally with no exception

reply to post by coop039


If a police officer is asking then , yes they would have to reveal their identity or face arrest
for concealing their identity under questioning / caution

Im pretty sure that is what would happen, although some officers will respect their religious beliefs
and only ask them to do so in front of a female officer in a closed interview room !

reply to post by ollncasino


I do not think they should ban the burqa, why? Everyone has an autonomous right to their own beliefs. They are not hurting anyone. It is kind of racist in my opinion. I feel like we are entitled to our beliefs, whether we believe in something or not, it is not anyone's else's decision except ourselves. The only point that important however, is to be rational about it, that's all, because irrationality leads to killings and deaths.

I still can't get over this notion of freedom of speech being used in the way it is, I support the freedom of speech, I support being able to publicly announce my dislike of a subject, I support the ability to gather to make your points BUT there's the issue, shouting I want to kill all kaffar ISN'T making a point, its making a threat.

If you are going to march and shout your points then they should be peaceful, well thought of, credibly put bits of information. Standing there shouting hate speech through megaphones is none of that and I support the arrest and banning of those marching if the advice of Police is ignored.

Take speakers corner here in London, you go there, speak your mind and the crowd decides if you are being foolish or not by staying and listening or leaving you. There's nothing creative in screaming hate, its done by individuals who are not there to debate anything, they are there to tell you what they want to do and by what means they will do it.

Sorry but that is unacceptable be it the BNP or Radical Islam, I too have freedoms and the one I like is not to be victimised by a crowd while trying to walk home, if it was a set of drunken people from a pub or a club they get arrested, if its Militant Islam they are allowed to sit there spewing hate.

Sorry but we need rules etc...

I am surprised how many here are in favor of banning some piece of clothing. Like you haven't heard Ron Paul's message at all. We don't need more regulations. It's stupid way to solve this problem. I don't wear burqa but if I would it would be my freedom. Government is not god to ban it for me. If terrorist want's to explode a bomb in public place he won't stop because he can't wear a burqa anymore. He will find another way. Think twice if you wish government to ban something that is not 100% lethal to others. What will they ban next? Knives?

Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by coop039

 

If a police officer is asking then , yes they would have to reveal their identity or face arrest
for concealing their identity under questioning / caution

Im pretty sure that is what would happen, although some officers will respect their religious beliefs
and only ask them to do so in front of a female officer in a closed interview room !

edit on 15-3-2012 by sapien82 because: (no reason given)

But the issue here is that this isn't a true religious belief, this is not what the Koran says, this allows special rules for splinters of religions which I've never seen up till now. The Koran does not say to cover the face, it was created by men.

If you are going to allow religions to have off shoots that make # up then the law is going to be ran ragged.

A true Muslim woman would not need a woman officer to reveal her identity as her face would not be covered, fact. Muslim people have long had very generous allowances for to protect their viewpoints and their faith, much ground has been happily given to integrate and share their diversity.

Covering your face simply is frowned upon by ANYONE doing it, when a bs non religious excuse is used to allow it then there's a lot of Saudi sitting there laughing their backsides off about how stupid and gullible we are.

Originally posted by Unvarnished

I do not think they should ban the burqa, why? Everyone has an autonomous right to their own beliefs. They are not hurting anyone. It is kind of racist in my opinion.

What is racist is Muslim radicals dressing in burqas to hide their faces and identities when they know it distrurbs the majority of the British population.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Unless you are a Muslim radical of course.

Originally posted by Unvarnished
I feel like we are entitled to our beliefs, whether we believe in something or not, it is not anyone's else's decision except ourselves.

Yet, the Muslim radicals who dress in burqas have no respect for your or I's beliefs or freedoms.

For instance,

Christian woman sentenced to death in Pakistan 'for blasphemy'

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by coop039
Just curious, as I havent had time to read every page, if asked to remove the bruqa for identification, would they?
Is so, Im not sure I see an issue, but if they refuse to identify themselves its a whole other issue.

Technically we allow them to ask for her face to be revealed only to a woman but there are numerous cases where people have refused and cases have been dropped by the CPS due to cultural sensitivity.

A lot of the Burqa wearers will reveal but its a special deal for one off shoot religion, we cannot keep giving allowances that no other so called religion gets. If we do then the legal system will grind to a halt.

Lets say a woman in a burqa goes to the bank and wants to withdraw a lot of cash, the bank is well within its rights to confirm identity (as they should) but she's there, its lunch time, there's two people on the tills, its backed out the door and now special attention has to be given to this one customer over identifying her. After all the bank is actually securing HER money by asking for identification.

Now its not secure to bring her into the main banking area obviously and they have this massive queue, lets say she refuses to lift her veil because there's males behind the counter.

What do you do now, give her the money and risk a possible fraud by not following the rules that every other person must follow

OR

Say no and see the said bank and employee on every tabloid being labelled a racist.

And why, because this woman follows a culture not supported by her religion which is alien to here...

Madness...And of course in her culture we don't count at all so there's no ground given to us..

There is something dishonest about having to hide a person under a blanket. I have always suspected that the men in those countries beat on their women and are ashamed of what they have done so they make the women cover up. What a total act of bullying, committing a crime, and stealing someone else's self esteme!

If someone dropped me off in the middle of one of those countries I would walk out. Good Grief! How oppressive and demeaning some cultures are to their women. Shame on them!

Muslim group calls for burka ban

A Canadian Muslim group wants the federal government to ban two kinds of garments, the burka and the niqab, worn by some women.

The Muslim Canadian Congress said the garments, which cover the face, have no basis in Islam.

The group's spokesperson, Farzana Hassan, said the practice of wearing the burka and niqab is more rooted in Middle Eastern culture than in religious teachings. She added that there is nothing in the Qur'an that stipulates women must cover their faces.

She said the issue is one of public safety.

"To cover your face is to conceal your identity," she said.

CBC News Canada

Even Muslims want the burqa banned, pointing out it has no basis in Islam and that it is a public safety issue.

There's one rules I'm still stunned that is allowed..

Driving in a burqa..

The practicality is dangerous, the face is partially covered if the burqa gets caught in wind, many women have burqa's with very very small slits or mesh over the slits. Their vision is often totally lost because of movement of the head unless a band is on the head to hold the cloth more still.

Remember, unlike wearing dark glasses the vision is totally compromised at times.

You try driving past a police car with a bag over your head....

On a more comedic note, the funniest thing I ever saw was here on my estate, I could hear a car coming down the road, it was blaring todays most offensive dance music, as it came closer the woman behind the wheel had to slow down for speed bumps, as she comes level there's a girl? in full head gear blaring this ultra western music with one arm on the sil of the open door window, the other was lifting up her veil so she could smoke a cigarette under the burqa.

she used her knees to keep the car straight...

Utter lunacy and very at odds with her selected culture..True..

Originally posted by capzzz
I am surprised how many here are in favor of banning some piece of clothing.

SYRIA bans the burka and niqab in universities as backlash against Muslim veil grows

Syria has banned face-covering Islamic veils from the country’s universities.

The crackdown was ordered by the secular government in Damascus amid fears of increasing Islamic extremism among young Muslim students.

'Hijabs and niqabs have been a symbol of oppression and religious extremism over the past hundreds of years. They have been a tool used by fundamentalist men to repress women,' said Ahmed, a 32-year-old engineer.

www.dailymail.co.uk..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Daily Mail

I agree with Ahmed that Hijabs and niqabs are a symbol of oppression and religious extremism.

Originally posted by ToneDeaf
Most European women would rather eat chocolate than have sex, and your point ?

Swiss parliamentarians vote for burqa ban

Swiss parliamentarians approved on Wednesday a far-right move to impose a ban on the burqa or other face coverings in some public places, including on public transport.

Burqas would also be banned on public transport, while "authorities can ban or restrict access to public buildings to such individuals in order to guarantee the security of other users."

Explaining the motion, Freysinger noted that "at a time when insecurity is growing in our streets, more and more people are hiding their faces behind a balaclava, a mask or a burqa.

"This makes it impossible to identify these people, a fact that is particularly troublesome in case of violence or identity checks,"

www.thelocal.ch...

Of course people hiding behind a burqa are a security concern.

Luckily the Swiss Parliament shows more common sense than some posters on this site.

Maybe if the Bush Administration had not done that 911 false flag operation and marched with the American and English People's blessings into their countries and blow up their normal, every day citizens they wouldn't be so pissed off at us.

Ban the Burqa?

I'de rather see jeans that show a person's butt crack and butt checks or tops that are see through or clothes on a main street (not talking about the beach) banned before the Burqa.

But so many women now are dressing like Rush Street whores and you want to ban the Burqa?

Now with all the cameras and scanners that can see you naked, and we are reduced finally to the status of animals, we mind as well go all the way and go around naked.

If someone wants to conceal a bomb, they could do it in their jeans, a puffy jacket, a over sized tee.

This opening post is fear mongering - we have neighbors that wear the Burqa and they are very nice.

Again, America and England get exactly what they ask for...................karma is a bitch only if you are and we had no business in the Middle East.

If someone blew up your daughter or son maybe you would know and be able to empathize with a people that were raped and pillaged by the big American / English Corporations and Banks that have systematically been messing around in the Middle East.

Picture below - look at the lower part of her legs.........what if this were your daughter or grand daughter, how would you feel towards the country that did this to her????



Do some research start here and find out why now we not the Middle East are the tyrants. We're just going to get back exactly what we deserve by allowing very corrupt and cruel "people" entities to rule over us.

ccun.org... ave%20Lindorff.htm

What goes around comes around and there is only one country thus far that has used a weapon of mass destruction twice..................and America and England are so in bed together, it's not funny.

Mad, you betcha - any country, soldier do that to my grand daughter and I would seek revenge, with the wrath of Shiva.

And yes the full Burqa is ridiculous looking - but it is less offensive to me than seeing a young girl in line at the check out counter with her butt cheeks and breast hanging out.

Give it time, the mom and grandma wear the Burqa, but "Jenny" (her new American Name) wears jeans and tees just like everyone else.

They will eventually be assimilated............all of us will.

So the cops get to decide how people dress now? Sod that. Today its burquas, next week it will be hoods, rucksacks, cut offs with the name of your motorcycle club on the back, sun glasses and hats.

Maybe its time we had a written down bill of rights in the UK so tptb can't keep shuffling us towards dystopia...

Originally posted by frugal
There is something dishonest about having to hide a person under a blanket. I have always suspected that the men in those countries beat on their women and are ashamed of what they have done so they make the women cover up. What a total act of bullying, committing a crime, and stealing someone else's self esteme!

If someone dropped me off in the middle of one of those countries I would walk out. Good Grief! How oppressive and demeaning some cultures are to their women. Shame on them!

You are near the mark with your views on bullying..

In their countries and done here in private the man has a duty to administer punishment to a disobeying woman, the punishment that the man can hand out varies from the version of Islam they support and the Saudi cleric who's giving advice to the man.

Technically the Man should not hit the woman but can shout at her to finish the argument, sadly Saudi men have altered this to light beating on parts of her body that are covered and not on the face, this also soes all the way to killing the woman depending on the cleric who gives the advice.

Some allow weapons to be used and in the case of a woman refusing sex at the time the man wants it (this even applies if the woman is at the stove cooking for him), the man is allowed to beat her how he choses but try and avoid the face.

I recently saw on Saudi TV the case of if a man who catches his wife committing adultery that if the man kills her there and then he should not be done for murder but simply a mild misdemeanour, BUT if the man catches them then runs out and comes and kills her later then its murder..

Nice to see they gave him a choice eh...

The issue here is of owner hip in this and the off shoot religion, in Saudi etc the woman from birth is considered property of the father until she gets married and then she becomes property of the husband (no, I'm not making it up) so basically whatever the husband wants to do to her unless she has a boat load of MALE witnesses she stand no chance of a fair hearing and even then its unlikely she will win anything and still get punished.

Yup, being a woman over there CAN be a terrifying thing..

Originally posted by ollncasino



I agree with Ahmed that Hijabs and niqabs are a symbol of oppression and religious extremism.

The burqa yes, the other no,a scarf has always been accepted as the way a woman should cover her modesty.

Banning the scarf or scarf like items are madness..

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Maybe if the Bush Administration had not done that 911 false flag operation and marched with the American and English People's blessings into their countries and blow up their normal, every day citizens they wouldn't be so pissed off at us.

So your logic is that because the USA inavded Iraq and Afghanistan, then radcial British Muslims should be allowed to wear the burqa?

I don't quite follow you train of logic.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Again, America and England get exactly what they ask for...................karma is a bitch only if you are and we had no business in the Middle East.

And Muslims have no business wearing burqas in the UK.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
If someone blew up your daughter or son maybe you would know and be able to empathize with a people that were raped and pillaged by the big American / English Corporations and Banks that have systematically been messing around in the Middle East.

But would I have to wear a burqa and choose to live in the UK while doing so?

I saw a Muslim man make a very good and simple point on Canadian TV, he said he does not agree with the Burqa and one of the reason is that if a woman in burqa is out on the busy streets and becomes separated from the young child that the child can only see a sea of burqa wearing women, how does it find the mum, certainly not by sight.