Time to ban the Burqa?

Lets stop banning stuff, enough things are already banned why the need for banning other things? You never know when people might want to ban something important to you.

reply to post by woodwardjnr

Well said.
Once they ban burkas then they can ban;
Crosses
Yamukas
Star of Davids
Priest collars
the colour yellow (I hate the colour yellow)
Expensive clothes (it hurts the self-esteem of others)
Leather clothes (PETA might get upset)
Cotton clothes (Vegans might get upset)
Clothing that endorses sports teams (might offend and start a fight)
Did I mention the colour yellow?

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Lets stop banning stuff, enough things are already banned why the need for banning other things? You never know when people might want to ban something important to you.

So you have no problem with the possibility (it would happen) of a man wearing a burqa and entering into a public toilet for women? Unless you can see the face you don't know if it's a man or woman. I agree with you in general but there has to be exceptions to rules.

reply to post by 0rbital


I could have a shave, put on some lipstick and a pair of high heels and a dress and I would also be able to go in to a woman's toilet. I'd probably pass for quite a hot chick, despite the hairy legs.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by 0rbital

 

I could have a shave, put on some lipstick and a pair of high heels and a dress and I would also be able to go in to a woman's toilet. I'd probably pass for quite a hot chick, despite the hairy legs.

You might get away with it if you shave your legs too but at least your face could be seen and unless you have really feminine features people could tell.

The bottom line, a burka can be used, and often is by male and females as a trojan horse and camafloge. it must be banned, and the islamist made to conform to OUR laws. Can we go round in bandanas and dark sunglasses as bandits do, or face coverings, masks, NO we can't, and if we do we will be stopped and questioned or worse.

My dad is a motorbike rider and went to the bank at lunch time to pay his bills
he was in a rush and so forgot to take his helmet of he put his visor up instead
stood in the queue , for 10 minutes without any interaction.

2 minutes later the police walk in and ask him to remove his helmet!

they thought he was going to rob the bank.
How is that then any different from the wearing of a burqa ?

concealment of identity , one rule for all !

If we ban things, we remove our own freedoms. And we introduce a bureaucracy to enforce that ban, to report on it's effectiveness. Taxes rise to pay for that. Or they borrow more to pay for that. Then we invade other countries to give them freedom, the same freedom we deny ourselves. And they bomb us in retaliation. Then we ban something else of theirs. And over a few decades we'll end up with no freedoms, everyone working for the government, legislation coming out of our ears, no-one happy at all.

As to the article, it's the Daily Mail *spit*

"I heard she went to B&Q to buy material for a bomb", said Mrs Miggins in the corner shop. "I heard she's got Semtex tucked away, someone at school told me", said young Ben the Butcher's Son, aged 8.

No-one the poor woman went mad and ended up getting locked up under mental health legislation.

Smalltown & retarded Englishland would drive anyone mental. It's a wonder anyone with a brain lives in that crapola nation.

reply to post by ollncasino


I strongly oppose islam and have not pulled any punches
when responding on threads about the topic.
I have to disagree with the burqa ban though.Wearing those
veils,headscarves and such is part of their religion and their
culture.These women could also be beaten,shut in,or even
killed if they are not wearing them.

reply to post by sapien82


I was just about to post the exact same thing..

reply to post by beezzer


The problem with the Burqa is that it does not equate to equality. I was out shopping with my son (he is 19) and when we went to enter a store he was told that unless he removed his hood he would not be allowed to enter, we were told it was the same for people wearing helmets. I queried what would happen if he were wearing a Burqa and was told that I better be careful because that could be construed as a racist remark !

In the UK you cannot enter banks, petrol stations, Government buildings, shops and numerous other sites if you are wearing a helmet or have a hood but it is OK if you are wearing a Burqa, which is why it is unfair. Either we allow everyone to wear what they want or as a Society we say "we want to see your face because that is they way we feel free and equal in this Country".

As a woman I find it offensive that other women are made to cover their bodies in the name of religion (this applies not only to Islam but to Orthodox Judaism that requires women to cover their hair with wigs). It is NOT a choice for many of these women and they face the threat of violence and ostracism if they do not comply with the wishes of their male dominated religions.

We are a free society (well as free as we allow ourselves to be) and as such we should insist that we all have equal rights and if only women are required to be covered by the Burqa it is manifestly unfair, if Islam insisted that men AND women had to be covered I would find it less offensive. That is why the Burqa is wrong because it singles out a specific group and requires that only they comply with the rules.

I too find Uggs horrible, I would not be caught dead in a tracksuit and really would rather go naked than wear fur BUT and this is the important part, NO NONE is forced by either tradition, religion, threat of violence or exile from your Community to wear these items unlike the Burqa, that is why it should be banned.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by D.Wolf
I live in Amsterdam. Next door there's Achmed, my neighbour. Achmed's wife always walks around in a burka. My wife and I don't question this.

We are like, "They do what they do - everyone goes his own way in life - religion - freedom - have fun."

You are lucky.

This article says that only about 100 women in the Netherlands wear a burqa.

Netherlands to ban the burka

Holland is to become the latest European country to ban the burka, despite the fact that fewer than 100 Dutch women are thought to wear the face-covering Islamic dress.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Personally, I like to get to see my neigbours faces. Most Netherlands people appear to agree with me. Hence the ban.

The original proposal was indeed to ban the burqa, but that was no legal thing to do so it has been watered down to ban face concealing clothing. The problem with this is that there are so many excerpts (Santa, carnival, brides, fireman etcetc) that the law in itself is a shill and it probably wont pass.

Even when it passes, police chiefs have already stated that they will not enforce this law.

Linky

So no, the Netherlands have not banned burqa (yet) and Me, living in Holland, have not encountered lots of people who don't think this law is a shill nor that it will pass.

Let's see... 100-300 woman get life without parole while Santa blows up in your face.

Nope, no logic in that. Wont pass.

reply to post by ollncasino


I think you are right as it stands the UK has a high number of Muslims compared to the US.With the relaxed approach we have we are seen as a soft touch by extremists and our own citizens. This has nothing to do with religion its a simple fact of identity issues. I am not afraid nor a racist i simply am aware that there are laws against young ones wearing hoods and balaclavas. This principle should apply to Muslims to

A person has no reason to walk around with their face covered.
As the person above me said, it's a security issue.

So yes, they should be banned.

I’m not allowed to wear a baseball cap in my local pub, because the CCTV can’t see my face! So they should be made to take off there burqa... indoors at least!!!! France has it right.

Regards Jamie Hurst

reply to post by ollncasino


I have said time and time again.... why live like this when you live in a free Country? Why do you let yourself be ruled by some book?

They don't dictate their life.... that book does!!

reply to post by majel42
Then the way I see it, the fight should be towards equality on the end of the spectrum where freedom is concerned.
When you allow the rule for helmets, then you've opened the door for burkas, hoodies, and anything else.

Sure. There is an inherent risk involved. But freedom has to include that risk for abuse or else it isn't really freedom then.

Once you allow any encroachment of freedom, then ALL freedom is at risk.

I wrote earlier in this thread a quote from Ben Franklin (I think)
Once you sacrifice freedom for security, you end up with neither.

I'll take freedom with risk for abuse over no freedom and the security it provides.

Just my humble opinion.

reply to post by ollncasino


is that bin laden? i thought barry caught bin laden. wtf?

Ban them, to me it's the same as everyone wearing ski masks when they want to make a deposit at a bank. Can you imagine how well that would go down? Part of migrating to a new country is adopting the host country's culture. From looking at Britian wearing ski masks in public year round is not the norm.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by majel42

 

Then the way I see it, the fight should be towards equality on the end of the spectrum where freedom is concerned.
When you allow the rule for helmets, then you've opened the door for burkas, hoodies, and anything else.

Sure. There is an inherent risk involved. But freedom has to include that risk for abuse or else it isn't really freedom then.

Once you allow any encroachment of freedom, then ALL freedom is at risk.

I wrote earlier in this thread a quote from Ben Franklin (I think)
Once you sacrifice freedom for security, you end up with neither.

I'll take freedom with risk for abuse over no freedom and the security it provides.

Just my humble opinion.

I know many people who are afraid of those wearing a burkha and the reason is very very simple. We in the west have a culture wear we DO NOT hide our face unless we are up to something. Hence why people who cover their faces know fine well that they do so either to intimidate OR to hide their identity when doing something illegal.

The burkah is a symbol of oppression and non islamic PC people in the west are just too stupid to see it that way. It's male oppression and control. And please don't roll out these women saying its "their choice". For every one of them I can point you to a western woman who sings the praises of her abusive husband.........until she gets free of him!!!!!!!!!

Why should I have to put up with the intimidation of a covered face in a country I grew up in.

A group of people walking down the street wearing balaclavas is intimidating.
A group of people walking down the street wearing helmets is intimidating.
A group of people walking down the street wearing hoodies is intimidating.
A group of people walking down the street wearing burkhas is........all nice and warm and fuzzy and we should bown down and be respectful lest we wish to be labelled racist. WRONG!!!!!!