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Time to ban the Burqa?

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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by SprocketUK
So the cops get to decide how people dress now? Sod that. Today its burquas, next week it will be hoods, rucksacks, cut offs with the name of your motorcycle club on the back, sun glasses and hats.

Maybe its time we had a written down bill of rights in the UK so tptb can't keep shuffling us towards dystopia...


Its not at all like that if you read all the posts, there's more to it than mere clothing..




posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Maybe if the Bush Administration had not done that 911 false flag operation and marched with the American and English People's blessings into their countries and blow up their normal, every day citizens they wouldn't be so pissed off at us.


So your logic is that because the USA inavded Iraq and Afghanistan, then radcial British Muslims should be allowed to wear the burqa?

I don't quite follow you train of logic.



Bonkers isn't it....No wonder these people love coming here..

People like that are a danger to themselves...



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by SprocketUK
So the cops get to decide how people dress now? Sod that. Today its burquas, next week it will be hoods, rucksacks, cut offs with the name of your motorcycle club on the back, sun glasses and hats.


Not the cops. The people.

67% of British people want the burqa banned. Only 27% oppose a ban.

YouGov



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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People should be able to wear what they want. If someone commits a crime in a burkha, charge them with the crime.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by GenerationGap
People should be able to wear what they want. If someone commits a crime in a burkha, charge them with the crime.


Yet my wife is not allowed to wear a bikini inside a British mosque, so your point is a little mute.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
Many people, including myself, object to Muslims covering their faces on the grounds of public safety, as the above incident demonstrates.

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Ummm... WTF is not covering your face going to do????? If she had a bomb in her purse, then she had a bomb... period! Face COVERED or UNCOVERED!.. makes no difference! Turns out she didn't have a bomb... once again... face covered or not! Having your face in a Barqua covered does NOT mean bomb anymore than wearing a ski mask means bank robber.

People need to leave others the heck alone... it's like asking all black people to bleach their skin like Micheal Jackson because you're scared they will shoot you!

I'm sick of all of this racist and/or extreme hate of others without the same background as another. First I see the darn Re-Nig 2012 sticker on someone's care... now this crap.


This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But hey... do what you want to in the UK... makes no difference to me. But I'll be standing up for the rights of Muslims if that were to ever be questioned here in the U.S.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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oh no !! no more islam bashing and banning people rights , All i see here is fighting over differences..!!!

Must See


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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by SilentKillah
People need to leave others the heck alone... it's like asking all black people to bleach their skin like Micheal Jackson because you're scared they will shoot you!


I am having problems following your logic.

Not hiding your face is an accepted part of European culture. It is accepted by Europeans that people who choose to hide their face have something to hide.

Asking black people to bleach their skin white most certainly is not part of European culture and to the best of my knowledge, no one is asking blacks to do so.


Originally posted by SilentKillah
I'll be standing up for the rights of Muslims if that were to ever be questioned here in the U.S.


Yet those Muslim radicals in their burqas have no interest in standing up for your rights. Quite the opposite in fact. They are wahhabis who believe that everyone should be forced to live their life like a 7/8th century Muslim.

You really should do some research before deciding to support people who would deprive you of your rights if they had the power to do so.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by DumbTopSecretWriters
oh no !! no more islam bashing and banning people rights, All i see here is fighting over differences..!!!


Yet we have the Muslim Canadian Congress calling for a ban of the burqa.

CBC News Canada


How does that fit into your somewhat one dimensional analysis of the situation?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Small news , nothing big



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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But would I have to wear a burqa and choose to live in the UK while doing so?


No, I'm for everyone wearing whatever makes them feel comfortable as long as their private parts aren't showing because of children being present.

I'm even for nude beaches and legalizing something we cannot name but is less harmful than alcohol.

As long as one is dressed, covering up your genitals (except on a nude beach, I'm all for that!) :lol


Whatever floats your boat.

One must be careful in banning stuff because once you ban one thing, who is to say the next year or two down the line what you are comfortable wearing , like a Christian cross, Pagan Pentagram or Egyptian Ankh will be banned.

Myself, I tend to wear very plain (no sayings) on my tees or a nice pretty top (that covers my old sagging tummy and no bumper stickers on my car.............my husband taught me long ago, the less you piss people off, the less the public knows your opinions, the safer you are from persecution.

Ban the Burqa today, the Christian Cross tomorrow and maybe something else the year after.

Take away someone's freedom, just another law, of which we have way too many now and next time the new "law" could effect you.

Again, I'm not saying I love the Burqa and everyone should wear it, possibly you did not read my post all the way through or I did not express my intentions clearly enough.

And as far as driving - give a woman in a Burqa a driving test, just had to renew mine and I had to do the vision test which included Peripheral vision.

If a person cannot pass the vision test (including the peripheral vision wearing a burqa) than while driving they must wear something safer.

Now, if we want to talk about safe driving, what about all these people on their cell phones, eating, putting on mascara, dressing and all the other nonsense people do while driving multi-ton vehicles.

As stated before, give these Burqa wearers a few years and they'll be sporting jeans and tees just like the rest of us..................we will all be assimilated.

Resistance is futile unless the thread I just posted in about the sun / stargates is true and the space brothers are coming to rescue us from this planet's insane rulers.

BTW: We were warned that the governments would need massive amounts of money to "save us from space invaders"......................half of our leaders and rulers are POSSIBLY space invaders DNA wise anyway.

The video below is of Carol Rosin who knew Wernher von Braun.



We always have to seem to have an "enemy"...................manipulation - it is the way (by fear) that the few control the many.

It is the way to continuously take away our freedoms inch by inch.

We need less control, not more. In my opinion you are being manipulated by fear.

A simple law, wear whatever you want as long as your naughty bits are covered.

My guess is along with the many hidden cameras we are also probably being scanned unknowingly.

Canada, England and the US, are very powerful and top technological countries. They even now have satellites that can zero in on you sitting on a park bench and see exactly what you are reading.

Bombs, 911, many of these "events" are false flag operations designed to scare the masses and take away yet more of our freedoms.


Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.– Henry Kissinger
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by DumbTopSecretWriters
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Small news , nothing big



You appear to be unaware that Turkey and Eqypt are two countries that have banned the burka.

More Muslim bashing, according to you?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
No, I'm for everyone wearing whatever makes them feel comfortable as long as their private parts aren't showing because of children being present.


But what if you make people uncomfortable or disgusted by what you wear?

For instance, wearing a S&M outfit in a Mosque?

Does your right to wear a S&M outfit over-ride the right of Muslims to peacefully enjoy their mosque?

How about if I wore a bikini and high heels (I am a man) in Mecca during Ramadan?

Would that be disrespectful or should my right to dress how I please over-ride everyone elses' rights?

I don't think you have thought this through.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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One of the things that is so strange to me is why would a woman would subject them selves to that religion? I know that most don't have a choice but there are quite a few n this country and other free countries that do. A real puzzler.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SilentKillah
People need to leave others the heck alone... it's like asking all black people to bleach their skin like Micheal Jackson because you're scared they will shoot you!


I am having problems following your logic.

Not hiding your face is an accepted part of European culture. It is accepted by Europeans that people who choose to hide their face have something to hide.

Asking black people to bleach their skin white most certainly is not part of European culture and to the best of my knowledge, no one is asking blacks to do so.


I don't live in Europe. Don't know about your culture and how Europeans think that people are hiding something if you can't see my face. Regardless I call BS on that.

However... like I in my OP. You're attempting to FORCE your ways upon those who are different. It's a form of hate... no matter how you look at it. "Be as I am or else I'll be scared of you" is all I hear from you.


Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SilentKillah
I'll be standing up for the rights of Muslims if that were to ever be questioned here in the U.S.


Yet those Muslim radicals in their burqas have no interest in standing up for your rights. Quite the opposite in fact. They are wahhabis who believe that everyone should be forced to live their life like a 7/8th century Muslim.

You really should do some research before deciding to support people who would deprive you of your rights if they had the power to do so.


News flash... NOT all Muslims are radicals as you call it. I actually have friends that are Muslim here in the U.S. Some aren't even from the middle east. I'm talking about African American and White Muslims.

Learn about their culture? Do you call a Muslim family in Iraq taking me into their home when I was stranded learning their culture?

Oh... yea... depriving one of their rights... kind of like you support depriving them of their rights to wear an item of clothing as a part of their religion. Who's the radical again?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
No, I'm for everyone wearing whatever makes them feel comfortable as long as their private parts aren't showing because of children being present.


But what if you make people uncomfortable or disgusted by what you wear?

For instance, wearing a S&M outfit in a Mosque?

Does your right to wear a S&M outfit over-ride the right of Muslims to peacefully enjoy their mosque?

How about if I wore a bikini and high heels (I am a man) in Mecca during Ramadan?

Would that be disrespectful or should my right to dress how I please over-ride everyone elses' rights?

I don't think you have thought this through.


Doesn't fly... I can't go into MANY stores wearing only swim trunks. For some reason though a Mosque should be different and let me go shirtless. GTF out of here.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by SilentKillah
I can't go into MANY stores wearing only swim trunks. For some reason though a Mosque should be different and let me go shirtless. GTF out of here.


And Muslim women cannot wear a burqa in public in France, Italy or Belgium.

GTF out of here.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by SilentKillah
News flash... NOT all Muslims are radicals as you call it. I actually have friends that are Muslim here in the U.S. Some aren't even from the middle east. I'm talking about African American and White Muslims.


Have you asked any of your Muslim friends if they support you supporting burqa clad Wahhabis?

I doubt it very much.

You will be surprised at their response.

By the way, considering that only 0.8% of the US population is Muslim, you must have hundreds of friends if you have Muslim friends who are variously from the Middle East, who are African American and who are White Muslims.

Statistically, to just have one of each of the 3 types of Muslims you mention, you would need to have on average, 375 friends.

Unless of course there is more than meets the eye.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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If you are not Muslim why would you go into a mosque anyway?

Personally you are talking about, if my understanding is correct, trying to piss people off simply by being obnoxious?

You are a man, if you were to stand in front of me at Kmart in high heels and a dress I would be polite to you and keep my opinions to myself, I would be a little uneasy but you have every right in a public place.

Now, if you choose to go into a mosque wearing something very obnoxiously offensive to these people, that is being well obnoxious and mean unless you are a cross dressing Muslim.

A woman taught from birth on that to expose her face or hands or ankles and thus covers herself with a black veil, I feel sorry for her being raised in that kind of culture..............but she is not openly meaning to be offensive to you, that is the way her mother taught her just as I told my grand daughter that for her mother to let her wear jeans that show her cute little butt cheek is not a good idea in public.

Why can't people just be nice, why do we seem to have to control control control and try to upset everyone?

Now, I am controlling when it comes to my 10 year old (very beautiful and maturing) grand daughter to make sure she covers herself or she is asking for unwanted attention............no I don't mean a Burqa but no showing her little butt cheeks, tummy or developing breast either. She now wears jean shorts just a few inches longer to cover the cheeks


A woman wearing a Burqa is not the same as you wearing a bikini and heels in a mosque.

She, the woman wearing a Burqa is covered up and not trying to shove her culture in your face, she was raised from eons ago that to appear in public uncovered is sinful.

Wearing a long covering veil seems rather sad to me - I love wearing really pretty tops with my jeans, lacy, purple, bright flowery tops, and colorful nail polish with make up and my wig as I don't have a lot of hair.....these gals will eventually, after seeing the wonderful freedom us Western Woman enjoy will drop the 2,000 bc garb............even the nuns now dress more modern.

But wearing a Burqa seems like it is offensive to you because you may feel they are trying to shove their religion in your face.

I don't think they are, it's just again the way they were raised.

I know a Muslim family down the street, in fact I know several as well as a couple East Indians.

"Jenny" her mother and grandmother wore the Burqa, at first several years ago. With each year, they now are down to wearing scarves.

Jenny wears jeans and tees and she, I am sure had to really fight with her family to get that privilege. But she like all kids wants to fit in.

Be nice and polite to these folks, show them a little kindness and they will come around to the 21st century.

Story: Last summer I was out gardening in the side yard and my neighbor's father or grand father came out in full beautiful maharaja Indian garb, complete with a turbin. He walked regally by and smiled, gave me a short polite wave and I likewise waved and smiled back.

Very nice man.

Well next afternoon I was shocked to see him copying me..................here he came out for his afternoon constitutional wearing jeans, a nice button down shirt and sandles, no turbin, no garb (although I thought it was very beautiful and exotic at the time).

Why can't we all play nicely?

If someone is threatening to harm you or yours, yes laws are necessary.............but as long as someone is covered up modestly, what business is it of yours.

And BTW: I am older and think kilts are sexy (what do you Scotch men wear under them?
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I had to attend a Catholic Funeral, so I dressed out of respect, in a nice pair of black pants (not jeans) and a fancy blue silk top.

Again, these Burqa wearers aren't doing this to spite you...............that is their culture. Many of the older woman would feel naked, very sinful if they exposed their body or face to you.

Give them time, the younger ones, particularly that are allowed to mix and mingle with other girls from Western Countries, will put down that Burqa for a pair of jeans, that cute tee and sketcher sneakers...............it's coming.

Just try to be nice......we need less rules and more love and understanding in this world right now.

Why can't people think of anyone else other than themselves? Why can't people try to understand and just simply get along as long as someone is not really hurting you?


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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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so sad. it is wrong for us to be so suspicious of one another. that is the first indication that this world is not quite just.
but it reminds me of this:
www.orlandosentinel.com...
they shut down disneyland to investigate a suspicious piece of paper in a tree. turned out it was a guests' idea of giving a goodwill message to the world.
huh.



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