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Time to ban the Burqa?

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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by justwokeup
No, however its reasonable that full facial concealment be grounds for being denied entry to commercial premises and public buildings (at the discretion of the organisation owning the building). The same would apply to public transport.

Thats a reasonable compromise.





A reasonable compromise for whom? If a private organisation and public transport are going to start banning people because of their dress code, what is to stop them from dictating what people should wear?

Will you start banning bikini clad women from beaches on the grounds of lewdness?

I think that if a business starts discriminating on religious grounds, they will identify themselves as religious bigots.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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You on the other hand have been fighting for the right of all Muslims to wear burqas. Whether they want to or not.



That being said, the Hadith requires Muslim men and women to dress moderately in public. This requirement may be interpreted differently within the denominations. However, if a sect of the Islamic religion believes that wearing a burka is dressing moderately in public and in their tradition, let it be.



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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by voidla
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Racist how?


Racist based on cultural discrimination. It is like banning a yarmulke or a Sikh's turban and beard.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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If I cant walk into a bank, through airport security, or even down the street in a balaclava, then they shouldn't be allowed to wear the burqua.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath

Originally posted by justwokeup
No, however its reasonable that full facial concealment be grounds for being denied entry to commercial premises and public buildings (at the discretion of the organisation owning the building). The same would apply to public transport.

Thats a reasonable compromise.





A reasonable compromise for whom? If private organisation and public transport are going to start banning people because of their dress code, what is to stop them from dictating what people should wear?

I think that if a business starts discriminating on religious grounds, they will identify themselves as religious bigots.


It isnt about what they wear. It is about hiding their identity. It is illegal for anyone else to do so, why should women wearing the burqua have special treatment over everybody else?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
Probably one the dumbest and racist ideas i have ever heard. Why not ban baggy clothes? Or ban big sunglasses or hoods?


In certain communities that have major gang problems, some of these things are banned from public places.

Just pointing it out.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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I don't think gang affiliated colours are analogous to religious dress unless you take a reductionist view on most things.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
Probably one the dumbest and racist ideas i have ever heard. Why not ban baggy clothes? Or ban big sunglasses or hoods?


Because baggy clothes, and big sunglasses do not completely hide ones identity



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
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I don't think gang affiliated colours are analogous to religious dress unless you take a reductionist view on most things.


No but the purpose of the ban would be similar. To ban a burqa because people are unidentifiable is similar to banning loose clothing that conceals items, gang colors that are used to provoke (although in the burqa argument that has some extreme implications).

I'm not saying right or wrong just pointing out previous actions that are similar.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by Rukas
If I cant walk into a bank, through airport security, or even down the street in a balaclava, then they shouldn't be allowed to wear the burqua.


Because burqas are cultural-religious dress while one wears a balaclava because it is very cold or there is an intent to commit a crime.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by sith9157

Originally posted by DavidWillts
Probably one the dumbest and racist ideas i have ever heard. Why not ban baggy clothes? Or ban big sunglasses or hoods?


Because baggy clothes, and big sunglasses do not completely hide ones identity


The certainly does do a very good job in hiding someone's identity. In fact if I was going to rob a bank, I would wear baggy cloths. dark sunglasses and a bandana to cover my ears.

Wearing a burqa would draw to me too much attention and hate.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
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I don't think gang affiliated colours are analogous to religious dress unless you take a reductionist view on most things.


No but the purpose of the ban would be similar. To ban a burqa because people are unidentifiable is similar to banning loose clothing that conceals items, gang colors that are used to provoke (although in the burqa argument that has some extreme implications).

I'm not saying right or wrong just pointing out previous actions that are similar.


Then you might as well ban makeup and wigs with Jackie O sunglasses.

And turned up collars....
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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Then you might as well ban makeup and wigs with Jackie O sunglasses.

And turned up collars....

 



I think government issued dress would be less drastic.

Should we have a vote?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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I think full facial concealment was recently banned here in Canada.

This is how our society works at least, and if somebody wants to take an oath to change their citizenship, then it should be up to the country whether or not these things should be allowed.

If someone decides they must wear a full face cover, then they would be better off living in countries that already pre-suppose this.

Why should the laws for the majority bend and twist to the ideals of a small minority?

Overall I agree with the ban for safety and health reasons.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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Everyone should be reading David Icke.

I know I know most people think the guy is three cans short of a six pack but I'm telling you.

Our freedoms are being stripped away inch by inch, little by little.

Who in the hell is suppose to control what in the heck you chose to wear in public as long as it is not obscene and pornographic to children?

United we stand, divided we fall.

And ya know, watching that Burqa Beauty Contest, maybe we are concentrating too much on looks and clothes vs the real inness, the real person inside.

When I go out in public I try to dress "normal" so I fit in. I don't want to stand out.

Now, I recently had my license renewed. I lost over 120 pounds and got a wig, a really cute natural looking one.

When the guy at the DMV Counter saw my last Driver's License Picture and this one (last one looked like a fat bozo) this one like a really sophisticated, sexy - foxy older lady. The guy took a double take at me (couldn't tell I was wearing a wig - even my doctor couldn't) and said, "Wow, the eyes are the same but you've sure changed."

I said "I lost over 100 pounds and got a new hair do". (Didn't tell him I was wearing a wig).

He replied, "Wow, you really look fantastic."

Face recognition.

As the NWO is rolled more and more openly into progress and yes the noose is closing in around our necks, while we were at OWS we were photographed and filmed not by news casters but by men I would say were either FBI or CIA. They did look like the MIB, honestly.

Face recognition software.................Good Search (not Google) that.

It's here and we are all being tagged, monitored and in some database somewhere.

Maybe wearing a Burqa isn't such a bad idea.

As this is a conspiracy site - think, TPTB want to "trim" our numbers, they are taxing the $hit out of us, we are still being manipulated through false flag operations, good people (like Princess Diana) are having fatal "accidents/suicides"
(Yea right - The axe has been replaced by the remote control car - read "Princess Diana The Hidden Evidence" by Jon King & John Beveridge.

Chapter 18, Free to Do As We Tell You / David Icke's book "Global Conspiracy"

Page 387 - I know your face. I hear your voice.

We're being tracked and monitored just like cattle...........I know because I lived on a small farm with animals.

Again, I couldn't see myself wearing a Burqa and my husband says "well if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from our government."

But, I no longer trust my government to have my or your best interest at heart unless you are one of the haves and have mores.

Our governments work for the large corporations and banks, not the people.

They will choose profit over a life any day, that is why we are constantly at war, to pillage and rape countries of their resources no matter what the cost to the people.

With all the money we (I can only speak for the USA) have put into our military we could have fed, clothe and housed every single man, woman and child on the entire planet.

But, the rich keep getting richer and thinking up new and improved ways to control and MONITOR us.

I look a lot different, and I mean a lot (have had about 200+ people tell me) with my wig than without it.

Maybe the reason the governments are so against this Burqa is for nefarious reasons...........like it's harder to recognize someone's face????

Just a thought.

And as this is a conspiracy site, and as David Icke would say:

Problem: Oh those nasty Muslims are out to get us, they want to destroy us

Reaction: Fear, always fear.

Solution: Let's go to war (no matter we have bombed the $hit out of their country, killed and maimed millions of their people and now have about 4 million children that are orphaned.

Again, 911 was a shell game and most of you fell for it.

Humanity never learns by our mistakes and that is why the few are able to keep controlling the many.



Wonder what good old boy companies will be allowed to "rebuild" Iraq?

It's all a sham, a game, a game to keep us down on the farm and most of you still don't see it.

And now America has probably secretly used a weapon of mass destruction not twice but three times.......see video below.

Depleted uranium - WARNING DO NOT WATCH IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN THE ROOM OR FAINTHEARTED



What does the above film have to do with Banning the Burqa? My logical reply to all of you is fear any country, any government that would stage a false flag operation, tear that country apart (for it's oil) and leave the legacy behind you are about to witness.


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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Some of you are worried that this can cause a loss of freedom. You should be more worried because allowing this to stay in place is a sure sign of the death of liberty. Sharia law will be inevitable if you don't start stopping these people. The reason this is an issue is because they made it one. Have you looked at the rate of growth of Muslims in the past century? Start reading on the Ottoman Empire right before WWI up until modern day. They want to take our laws from the inside. This isn't all Muslims, but there are many who want this and are working toward this. This is what they preach....conversion of all or death to non believers. It isn't pretty at all, but it is what is going on. 50 years from now, at the current rate, they could very well take over most of Europe. After that it is just a matter of changing the laws to what they want. There is always a power struggle and like it or not, you happen to be in the middle of it.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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This is one of the most ignorant posts that i have ever seen on this site. You should be ashamed to post this being a member of this site. Making it a law that you cannot wear a burqa in public is the equivilent to saying an othrodox Jewish man could not wear the braids, or that the Amish are required to wear "normal" western clothes. This isn't some thing that they wear just to wear it, its something that the wear for religious reasons. I am not a religious person but i believe that each person has their eight to practice their religion and if that meanw that a woman wears a burqa so be it and who are you to say she can't



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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No one should ever, EVER tell you what you can or cannot wear. If lady gaga can wear a dress of meat and a birdsnest, I think it should be ok for muslims to cover their faces.

I live in a cold in windy area of the U.S. and when outside sometimes walk around with a facemask on for warmth. Should that be illegal too?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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If you live in a cold area where ski masks are worn all the time, when someone enters a building in order to conduct daily errands or business, the face mask usually comes up. It's common courtesy, and a cultural norm, allowing people you interact with to see your face.

This, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with their religion, it has to do with their culture. I respect other peoples religions (so long as their beliefs and behavior are harmless), but I have zero tolerance for a culture in which women are forced into being subservient, and the facial coverings of their culture are the embodiment of that. You adapt to society, society doesn't adapt to you. And in a world where pretty much everywhere on the planet, people show their face, you can't expect people to get used to it.

Really, it's no skin off my back if they keep wearing them, but really, it's just perpetuating the negative aspects of their culture. I mean really, her "right to wear it?" Is that what we should be fighting for here? Fighting to keep her within the confines of her culture/religion/marriage? Don't get me wrong, western women get crapped on still, but they have the independence to leave or change their situation, it's nothing like how these women are treated.



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