"You are over psycho-analyzing. If you really want to know why certain cultures wear the burqa, research the sociological and anthropological history. "

Enlighten me.

"I recommend that you stay away from the post 9/11 garbage and the hate peddled by religious bigots."

Not sure if you have read my other posts in here, but as I've said, I have no issue with anyone else's religion. I'm no fan of all the post 9/11 fear mongering either, but surely you must understand that the criticisms of the culture can't all stem from hate, ignorance, or bigoted religious views.

Yet more posts and none of them seek to look at the real issue but instead play pedant with what is or not covering your face and for how long its allowed.

I suppose its a fun word game for some of you but its zero to do with the matter at hand.

Here, I'll play a little just to 'fit in'.

Should we ban the burqa based on its clothing value ...NO

I personally think the burqa is a stupid bit of dress, its stupid because its dangerous at the very least, its stupid because covering yourself in a hot country with a head to toe fabric that is coloured to collect as much heat as possible IS stupid. Its stupid because a man enforces the wearing (remember, if the man asks for it she MUST wear it, there isn't really any choice).

Its stupid because its classed as sinister by nature, facial recognition and the brains relying on looking at a face are psychological processes we trust, to deny the face tells the brain there's something not right here. The last thing a healthy co-operative friendly contact person can do to destroy that is to cover their face completely...

FACT..

So for all those reasons and many more the burqa IS stupid....

Should it be banned for being stupid, some may say yes because of the danger element when in control of vehicles but most would say no because its a bit of cloth and if you want to wear it and alienate yourself from some sections of society that should be your choice.

But then you have to drop all this pedantic crap and move on to the issue at hand, why do people want the burqa banned.

Simply because of what it represents, a garb worn by a section of society who have no inclination to integrate with others, a section that hates the west, a section that hates the average person for not being a radical Muslim. Don't take my word on this, be your own 'Sherlock Holmes' and ask what these people believe in, ask if they want western lifestyles. You may get a few women who wear it by force who really want away from it, you will most likely find that many cannot answer you because they don't speak English, that in itself shows the fundamental commandment of this man made off shoot as to NOT to integrate, we must become them and not vice versa or at least share ideals.

You may also find some women who rattle on about how its THEIR choice and they love it but at the end of the day their words are useless because they DON'T have a choice 99.9% of the time, their husband IS their owner and he dictates what she does, end of.

The Burqa is a symbol of control, you don't think the husband makes her wear it because he likes her in black do you?

The burqa represents everything unhealthy about this off shoot of Islam, its wearers do not care for us really, they see us as dirt, their culture is all important to them but it cannot live along side another, the wish is to be like a locust and change the landscape with only fellow locusts remaining. If you think that's a mythical statement then watch the Saudi stations, listen to them, it won't be long before you get the full message.

Of course Radical apologists will cover their ears and rework their senses so what is said somehow becomes acceptable to them, if that's you then you are a fool and not as intelligent as you thought. When someone is telling you to your face what they want and the same message is repeated time after time by many many different people of authority you really should take your finger out of whatever orifice and BELIEVE them.

The Burqa represents everything we should fear as peaceful democratic people, it IS the opposite of that and that's why it should be shunned.

If you still think its just a bit of cloth and another social control item then good luck to you, when the radicals get to you they won't be writing on a blog, they will be changing your life for whatever is left of it.

I never said that, they have...A lot.....

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

You may also find some women who rattle on about how its THEIR choice and they love it but at the end of the day their words are useless because they DON'T have a choice 99.9% of the time, their husband IS their owner and he dictates what she does, end of.

I agree with everything you say apart from this. Where do you get your 99.9% figure from? Please provide a bona fide research link thanks. In fact I think you'll find that some women are dictated to, others think it is their choice but are conforming to subliminal pressure and others do freely make that choice. I even think in some instances it's less of a religious statement and more a political statement of separation. I wouldn't know the percentages however because I'm not a researcher and I haven't seen any studies. Clearly I'm not as well informed as you!
Freedom of choice or not and irrespective of any supposed terrorist threat, I think it is alien to our society and trying to communicate with someone enveloped in a sheet with a slit for the eyes is beyond ridiculous.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc
Yet more posts and none of them seek to look at the real issue but instead play pedant with what is or not covering your face and for how long its allowed.

I suppose its a fun word game for some of you but its zero to do with the matter at hand.

Here, I'll play a little just to 'fit in'.

Should we ban the burqa based on its clothing value ...NO

I personally think the burqa is a stupid bit of dress, its stupid because its dangerous at the very least, its stupid because covering yourself in a hot country with a head to toe fabric that is coloured to collect as much heat as possible IS stupid. Its stupid because a man enforces the wearing (remember, if the man asks for it she MUST wear it, there isn't really any choice).

Its stupid because its classed as sinister by nature, facial recognition and the brains relying on looking at a face are psychological processes we trust, to deny the face tells the brain there's something not right here. The last thing a healthy co-operative friendly contact person can do to destroy that is to cover their face completely...

FACT..

So for all those reasons and many more the burqa IS stupid....

Should it be banned for being stupid, some may say yes because of the danger element when in control of vehicles but most would say no because its a bit of cloth and if you want to wear it and alienate yourself from some sections of society that should be your choice.

But then you have to drop all this pedantic crap and move on to the issue at hand, why do people want the burqa banned.

Simply because of what it represents, a garb worn by a section of society who have no inclination to integrate with others, a section that hates the west, a section that hates the average person for not being a radical Muslim. Don't take my word on this, be your own 'Sherlock Holmes' and ask what these people believe in, ask if they want western lifestyles. You may get a few women who wear it by force who really want away from it, you will most likely find that many cannot answer you because they don't speak English, that in itself shows the fundamental commandment of this man made off shoot as to NOT to integrate, we must become them and not vice versa or at least share ideals.

You may also find some women who rattle on about how its THEIR choice and they love it but at the end of the day their words are useless because they DON'T have a choice 99.9% of the time, their husband IS their owner and he dictates what she does, end of.

The Burqa is a symbol of control, you don't think the husband makes her wear it because he likes her in black do you?

The burqa represents everything unhealthy about this off shoot of Islam, its wearers do not care for us really, they see us as dirt, their culture is all important to them but it cannot live along side another, the wish is to be like a locust and change the landscape with only fellow locusts remaining. If you think that's a mythical statement then watch the Saudi stations, listen to them, it won't be long before you get the full message.

Of course Radical apologists will cover their ears and rework their senses so what is said somehow becomes acceptable to them, if that's you then you are a fool and not as intelligent as you thought. When someone is telling you to your face what they want and the same message is repeated time after time by many many different people of authority you really should take your finger out of whatever orifice and BELIEVE them.

The Burqa represents everything we should fear as peaceful democratic people, it IS the opposite of that and that's why it should be shunned.

If you still think its just a bit of cloth and another social control item then good luck to you, when the radicals get to you they won't be writing on a blog, they will be changing your life for whatever is left of it.

I never said that, they have...A lot.....

edit on 17-3-2012 by Mclaneinc because: (no reason given)

Well said!!!! Wish I could give you more stars!!!! Doubt I could have said it better myself!

Originally posted by starchild10

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

You may also find some women who rattle on about how its THEIR choice and they love it but at the end of the day their words are useless because they DON'T have a choice 99.9% of the time, their husband IS their owner and he dictates what she does, end of.

I agree with everything you say apart from this. Where do you get your 99.9% figure from? Please provide a bona fide research link thanks. In fact I think you'll find that some women are dictated to, others think it is their choice but are conforming to subliminal pressure and others do freely make that choice. I even think in some instances it's less of a religious statement and more a political statement of separation. I wouldn't know the percentages however because I'm not a researcher and I haven't seen any studies. Clearly I'm not as well informed as you!
Freedom of choice or not and irrespective of any supposed terrorist threat, I think it is alien to our society and trying to communicate with someone enveloped in a sheet with a slit for the eyes is beyond ridiculous.

edit on 17-3-2012 by starchild10 because: (no reason given)

I'm not going to play the game, by now you must know that I know my stuff, the woman in those circles IS owned by the dad and then any husband, the husband gives the order, if she does not agree with him then woe be tide her, she will suffer.

I wish I could point you to respected sources but by the sheer nature of the control they rarely exist.

If you wish to get versification of the ownership then please watch Saudi channels, they make no bones about it.

Some women claim to have made the decision all on their own but the simple fact remains that once the husband asks for this then the woman MUST conform in their countries or face a rather nasty time. You don't think the laws that a woman accusing a man of rape must have 4 male witnesses on her side are there by accident.

The whole system is man controlled..

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
However, as you have singled out the burqa, your agenda is pretty transparent.

Apparently, the majority of European population has 'singled out the burqa'.

Hence considering that your opinion is that of a fringe minority, what exactly is your agenda?

Defending the rights of Wahhabi extremists?

You can judge people by the quality of their friends. You can also judge people by the quality of the people they defend.

Your motives are as transparent as a muddy puddle and just as pure.

Multiculturalism in Europe is in its death throes. That's obvious now. Nationalism is on the rise throughout continental EU and the UK.

But what did they expect? You cannot force cultures to mix and expect harmony. Many cultures and traditions are absolutely incompatible and irreconcilable. The majority of immigrants do not integrate into their new culture, anywhere in the world they may be, nor do they seem to want to. This is perfectly understandable, in my view. I don't blame them at all.

Unlike recent British leaders, most immigrants want to preserve their own culture and traditions. I respect them for that.

OMG WE MIGHT DIE CAUSE BOMB TERRORISTS

Seriously quit eating everything your government and media feeds you, it's such a big fat joke.