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Time to ban the Burqa?

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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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reply to post by DavidWillts
 


Racist how?




posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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reply to post by ollncasino
 

67% of the people who were hacked off enough to fill in the survey.
Probably commissioned by the daily wail.
I wasn't aware of the survey, so it's hardly 67% of britons. No one I know has heard of it, either.

As long as people aren't swanning round Tesco with their danglies out I don't care what they wear and no one else should either.

It's troubling that some folks deem it their business what others are doing/wearing/whatever.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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I was driving through town one day when the car in front of me turned and crashed into the side of the road.i got out to see if the person in the car was ok and it was a muslim woman wearing a burqa.she said she was struggling to see in front.Now you tell me people if they should be banned.there not for religion and there not a must.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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France has the right idea!



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
If you are not Muslim why would you go into a mosque anyway?


If you live in 21st century England, why dress like an 8th century Arab with only the eyes showing? To keep the sun off of your head?


Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Personally you are talking about, if my understanding is correct, trying to piss people off simply by being obnoxious?


You missed the point. Rights are not absolute as any jurist will tell you.

For instance, you have a right to play music in your house. Your neighbours have a right to enjoy their house in peace.

Both of your rights must be balanced against each other.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by SprocketUK
67% of the people who were hacked off enough to fill in the survey.

Probably commissioned by the daily wail.


It is interesting that you bring up that point.

A Pew Report Poll (US company), found that 62% of Britons polled supported banning the burqa in 2010.

Pew Report

A YouGov Poll, found that 66% of Britons polled supported banning the burqa in 2010.

YouGov Poll

A further YouGov Poll, for Channel 5, found that 67% of Britons polled supported banning the burqa in 2010.

YouGov Poll

So three different polls are showing that 2 out of 3 Britons want to ban the burqa.


Originally posted by SprocketUK
I wasn't aware of the survey, so it's hardly 67% of britons. No one I know has heard of it, either.


I understand that no one asked you or your friends, but many Muslims would have been asked.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Another case of people giving up liberties for a sense of security.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
Another case of people giving up liberties for a sense of security.


If only the issue was that simple.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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I had to renew my Illinois Drivers License.............they tested my vision including my Peripheral Vision.

Doesn't your state test people?

I have 20/20 vision WITH MY DRIVING GLASSES and it states on my driver's license that I must wear these glasses in order to drive.

I have two pairs (one as a back up).

Possibly you may consider suggesting to your reps that they should test women wearing the Burqa?

I can see making a woman having a "driving flap" on the Burqa. Hey, new idea so someone can get rich off my idea, go for it


Now, in reference to driving...........don't get me going on this one.

I can always always tell when I am behind someone, anyone on a cell phone - they can't mucking drive and talk at the same time - sorry but they are real dangerous and unpredictable.

Also, it seems like the bigger the SUV the worse the driver.

Can most of you in Illinois turn a corner faster than 2 miles an hour and why does it take most of you Illinois folks three minutes to register when the light has turned green and the cars going cross wise have stopped?

Now I have seen Americans eating, putting on mascara, reading a news paper, dressing in a car while driving.

To lighten things up here is a fun video to get everyone in a nicer mood.

Enjoy!

As only the Brits can do comedy - this is beyond funny.


edit on 15-3-2012 by ofhumandescent because: found whole video but advertisement is 1 minute long.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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When I looked at the sample size I was unsurprised to learn that these polls consisted of 750, 2200 and 2250 people in the UK.
Hardly representative of our nation.
Probably took an afternoon to gather those responses.
I could get 50000 signatures calling for Kelvin McKenzie to be fed to sharks in a weekend in Liverpool. Yet loads of people across the country still buy the s*n.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Frankly, it is quite simple. By banning burqas, society is essentially stigmatizing that wearing burqas is affiliated with terrorist activities, which churns out even MORE prejudice...



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
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Frankly, it is quite simple. By banning burqas, society is essentially stigmatizing that wearing burqas is affiliated with terrorist activities, which churns out even MORE prejudice...


But Wahhabi Muslims are associated with terrorism.

Almost all Muslim terrorists are Wahhabi Muslims.

You do normal Muslims are grave disservice by associating them with the small minority of Muslim radicals who wear burqas.

You should think before tarring all Muslims with the same brush.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by SprocketUK
When I looked at the sample size I was unsurprised to learn that these polls consisted of 750, 2200 and 2250 people in the UK.


On the contrary, all three are large samples and statistically significant. Taken together, over 5,000 people being interviewed is an extremely large sample.


Originally posted by SprocketUK
Probably took an afternoon to gather those responses.


I understand that you do not like the results of the three separate surveys which show that 2 out of 3 British people support banning the burqa.

Nonetheless, it is no reason for people to prefer your opinion, the opinion of 1 person, as being more representative of the British opinion on the burqa than the opinions of 5,000 people.




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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
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Frankly, it is quite simple. By banning burqas, society is essentially stigmatizing that wearing burqas is affiliated with terrorist activities, which churns out even MORE prejudice...


But Wahhabi Muslims are associated with terrorism.

Almost all Muslim terrorists are Wahhabi Muslims.

You do normal Muslims are grave disservice by associating them with the small minority of Muslim radicals who wear burqas.

You should think before tarring all Musims with the same brush.


Perhaps you can clarify for me, but are you for the banning of burqas?
My perspective is to NOT "tar all Muslims with the same brush." I believe if a Muslim believes it is their duty to wear a burqa as designated by their religious doctrines, they should every right to. I believe that by banning burqas, the society as a whole is labeling the wearing of burqas as dangerous.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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I don't think you can ban any article of clothing in a free society. (cough cough)

But they are hideous to look at.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by DelayedChristmas

Perhaps you can clarify for me, but are you for the banning of burqas?


Yes.


Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
I believe if a Muslim believes it is their duty to wear a burqa as designated by their religious doctrines, they should every right to.


People have a right to do anything they want... until it infringes on other peoples' rights.

Muslim group calls for burka ban



A Canadian Muslim group wants the federal government to ban two kinds of garments, the burka and the niqab, worn by some women.

The Muslim Canadian Congress said the garments, which cover the face, have no basis in Islam.

The group's spokesperson, Farzana Hassan, said the practice of wearing the burka and niqab is more rooted in Middle Eastern culture than in religious teachings. She added that there is nothing in the Qur'an that stipulates women must cover their faces.

She said the issue is one of public safety.

"To cover your face is to conceal your identity," she said.

CBC News Canada


So the Muslim Canadian Congress is calling for the burqa to be banned on the basis of public security and further point out that the burqa has no religious basis.

Yet here you are arguing for the right of Muslims to wear the burqa.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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The Amish do not drive cars.

Quakers do not fight in wars.

How much religious freedom do we allow?

Now we are talking about clothing, when we have the Atlantic and now the Pacific Oceans severely compromised, millions of marine life dying from oil spills and toxins sprayed on top.

27,000 people a day (or more, mainly children) dying from starvation

Our ozone layer is thinning out.

Our O2 level is getting less (not good, we need oxygen to breathe) while

Our CO2 level is increasing.

We have a garbage patch of mostly plastic larger than the size of Texas floating around in the Pacific

Millions of people, innocent people, babies and little children being bombed, orphaned and in war torn countries

All the while we have a Queen over in England that has amassed 1/2 of Canada, 1/2 of England and now going for parts of the US..................Hello people out there, we have more important problems to deal with than a woman pissing off a man because she wears a primitive outfit.

If the Burqa does interfere with driving (woman aren't even allowed to drive in some Middle Eastern Countries) than make a driving flap for the damn thing and let anyone wear what ever they want as long as their naughty bits aren't hanging out the kiddies to see..........although with most kids now living in one parent households and raising themselves here in the good old USA, I imagine they've seen everything by the age of 10.

Again, control, control, control, why do people have to control how others think, what they believe in, what they wear, as long as they are not endangering anyone.

And yes if a woman cannot safely drive a vehicle wearing a Burqa, than something must be done but damn it - if I were a cop and caught a person yapping on their cell phone while driving stupidly (which most cell phone drivers do) I'd also classify them as endangering the public.

When you are driving - DRIVE PERIOD - Don't think you can multitask, drive with both hands on the steering wheel and watch and pay attention.

I am a excellent driver, not a ticket in 43 years I have driven and I tend to go a tad bit over the speed limit so I'm not a grandma driver.

But, if my cell rings while I am driving damn it I let it ring.

Be careful when you start to ban stuff, slowly but surely that is how TPTB manipulate us. Before you know it we will all be required to wear grey shirts and pants.....................and white underwear


At that point, they will put me up against a wall and shoot me because I refuse to wear white underwear, it's boring, non sexy and ever since 8th grade and Sister Theresa Mary gave me three days detention for tye dying all our bras certain rights I will not relinquish.

boring underwear is one of them.

If a woman wants to has to wear a long black boring, hot, primitive veil - let her alone.

Make sure they can pass the vision test.

BTW: I love the saris Indian women wear, god, the colors, the glitter are beautiful.

Now come on ladies:

This;



or this:



Wish I could pull off the East Indian Sari without looking silly............boy they sure know how to dress sexy in India, but they wrote Kama Sutra.

While we are on the subject of dress, I don't think I have ever seen Vanna White on Wheel of Fortune ever wear a shabby looking dress. The stars could take a lesson from her. Every single night she wears the most beautiful clothes, sexy & classy without being trashy.



My idea of fashion...........if I were a movie star going to the Oscars, I would consult with whoever does Vanna White's wardrobe on WOF.
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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This is a perfect example of the war on religion. Covering your face with a veil should you choose to do so is your choice. Express yourself. Didn't they ban face veils in France? You know, where Paris, the fashion capital of Earth is? It's about making sure nobody looks different.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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OK, you tell me not to tar the muslims with the same paint brush? maybe you should take your own advice mate.

That being said, the Hadith requires Muslim men and women to dress moderately in public. This requirement may be interpreted differently within the denominations. However, if a sect of the Islamic religion believes that wearing a burka is dressing moderately in public and in their tradition, let it be.

How does wearing a burka impede on someone's right? If said person takes that decision on themselves to wear a burka, they are choosing to do so. It impedes on someone's right to see everyone assimilated and the same? That is poppycock. The banning of burkas impedes on rights.


Originally posted by Blarghdt
This is a perfect example of the war on religion. Covering your face with a veil should you choose to do so is your choice. Express yourself. Didn't they ban face veils in France? You know, where Paris, the fashion capital of Earth is? It's about making sure nobody looks different.

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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
OK, you tell me not to tar the muslims with the same paint brush? maybe you should take your own advice mate.


Yet, I have made it clear that I do not associate normal Muslims with the Wahhabi radicals who dress in burqas.

You on the other hand have been fighting for the right of all Muslims to wear burqas. Whether they want to or not.

Clearly many do not and want the burqa banned.

Muslim Canadian Congress Calls for Burka Ban

CBC News Canada

Perhaps you should ask normal Muslims what they want before you self appoint yourself as 'protector' of their rights.

Just a thought, mate.



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