Time to ban the Burqa?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

The burqa situation is a non-issue: people should be allowed to wear one if they want to, but shouldn't be given any special dispensation to keep their face covered when required to ''unmask''.

The burqa is a non issue to you but the majority of European people disagree with you.

But what lies beneath?

reply to post by VforVendettea


I'm not prejudice, but demand world wide equality of all women and children and an end to theocracies, oppression and fascism. And yes the burka has to go, its extreme abuse of women and its abuse for my sons to ever witness such abuse. ITS OVER! This world is FREE!

talk about a headache.
this should ban all clothes for women (jk - couldn't resist again)

I'm sorry, but in ANY circumstance when checking identity...

THIS is utterly ridiculous...




Doesn't take a genius to see that at least in any situation requiring verification of identity, the above garb is the equivalent of me wearing a Halloween mask and saying, "Cmon guys, it's really me!"

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Hi Everyone. This is my first post.

Re: Time to ban the Burqa?

Why stop there? Ban anything related to religion (except the wine). Ban praying. Ban the supervision of children by theocrats. Convert all churchs, temples, mosques, shrines etc into homes for the homeless and dispossessed.
I am deeply opposed to any form of religion. It poisons our world. I firmly believe all forms and manifestations of this brainwashing should be raged against in the strongest possible terms.

Why is it only islam is accomidated ? It's obvious the more clothing draping your form the more successful you could be in hiding a lot of things that would otherwise call attention to yourself. Almost all suicide bombers wore some type of middle Eastern dress, long flowing, bulky and indistinct of what was underneath, thus affording the ability to hide their bombs or weapons as they attacked others. Cars were also used because they afforded hiding explosives in the trunk or out of view. The world is being invaded by islam through many trojan horses and it must be stopped or the Christian, Eastern and Jewish populations will be the object of holywar attacks continually from now on. islam is not a relegion of peace, it has been shown time and again. I will view anyone who fit's the profile, it's this political correctness that is disarming out vigilance. And if it is allowed, you will one day find yourself with the choice of converting to islam or being killed or made a slave. I am pro-American, pro-Christian and I will do everything in my power to be vigilant and meet the threat against America head on.

reply to post by yorkshirelad
Please. The last thing I am is pro-islam or PC.


But we can't pick and choose our freedoms just to suit us. I don't agree with any of it. But, if that is the choice they choose, then I wouldn't be one to stop them.

ban the burqa everywhere. in this day and age you need to be able to see a person's face to identify them. if i were to walk into a public area wearing a skii mask so only my eyes could be seen that would probally raise people's concerns. if burqa weraing people do not like this or feel that they are being unfarely treated, please move back to your country of origin. If you want to wear a burqa around the house or to a place of worship i have no problem with this but when it is out in public, especially in western society it becomes a problem.

Why are you considering banning an item of clothing?
I was asked to remove my hat at the bank the other day and politely obliged. This is only a beginning problem. You are a fool if you think that you should worry about this clothing. You should be doing everything you can to get these people out of your country. You may not want to believe it but they are after world domination. They are in a fight with Israel and you are standing in the way of Hell's wishes. It isn't all of them I am sure, but there are enough that want the obliteration of all religions. The best thing you can do is get them out of your country right now.

Also, I am not just picking out one religion, this was just on this topic. I do not support nor reject any religions or practices.

Wow, you say ban the burqa and every do gooder comes out to say puffa jackets and jeans..

But have you thought the reason through, no of course not because in your bid to be clever and sound ultra liberal you have TOTALLY ignored the point of the wanting for a ban.

Quiz for you libs

Who wears a burqa?

Don't say a Muslim because that will piss me off..

Next

Why do they wear a burqa?

Lastly

Whose idea is the Burqa?

I'll save you loads of racial jabbering and tell you.

The people who wear the Burqa are Wahhabists or followers of that, these follow Shariah law, remember that good old sharaiah law?

They wear the burqa for two reasons, its a clear statement of their identity (or not in some cases) and their followings, its also because under that part of the man made version of the religion they must do it if the man requests this.

As for whose idea is the Burqa, its Man's, NOT the religion, its certainly NOT part of the Koran, that just asks a women to protect her 'modesty', men in Saudi invent this and other quite foul rules. The women who sometimes pretend to agree with the Burqa (well since they have NO choice but to wear it what they say is pointless) claim they want to wear it but every time they agree they make the lives of those not wanting to 100% harder. Also the Burqa is used by the men as a representation of power amongst them, a picture of their control.

For me its a picture of how the Shariah followers want to take my life and make me conform just like these women do, sorry but its simply not happening.

And of course and the main reason this woman was surrounded was the message behind the Burqa and NOT the burqa itself, how many burqa clad women do you need to so on our streets calling for the death of you and me and the end to the British way of life before you stop seeing burqa as a bit of cloth and the proper reason, the hatred of the West and the wish to replace our society..

That's what a Burqa represents, that's what the Saudi's want us to see, that's what they promote, that's what they fund.

That woman was stopped because someone claimed she had a bomb, the fact she dresses in the clothing associated with the hatred of the West really does not help.

As for these daft puffa jacket arguments, beard arguments, baggy trouser arguments, give it some thought for goodness. When you see a bloke in a puffa jacket do you think he's concealing anything or just a chav, guess which I pick, when you see baggy jeans the wrong side of the arse line, do you think terrorist or dumb chav.

When you see a thick beard do you instantly think terrorist, no you don't not unless you see it with Arabic clothing. Sadly that's a stupid thought process but it happens, beards are an accepted part of the religion and loose fitting clothing are ideal for prayers. When you see a Burqa there's a level of distrust generated by its wearing, does this person like me or hate me, is she one of the ones who wants to behead me or not?

The is and always will be the fear and distrust of someone who covers their entire face with cloth, your average shop robber does it to avoid the security camera's as do bank robbers, thieves do it so they can't be recognised if caught, its a natural thought but if you then add the hideous hatred of us amongst the wahhabists then people have the very right to be worried.

The Burqa is the garment or Radical Islam..

So yes, I want the Burqa banned because of what it represents and as what its deliberately promoted to represent. I also say it should never been allowed since it contravenes the right of confirming identity. Why should one type of woman have to be screened only by other females IF they decide they allow them to do it.

Sorry, that's a bad reflection on our laws, there are plenty of countries who allow this style of dress but I don't think the West is the right place.

So, the next time you do-gooders scream racial how about actually looking at the real reasons behind the outcry instead of just flapping your mouth trying to label everyone as a bad person for not agreeing with the Burqa.

Oh, one last thing, you do know that most ordinary Muslims do NOT agree with the burqa, they see it as not part of the religion. Ask them, I did....

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Its their right to religious freedom and to wear whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't infringe on your rights. This shouldn't even be an issue. Quit being so damn afraid.... you're letting the terrorist win. You do realize how crazy of an idea this is? Government regulating what anyone can wear, at any time, in a public place. Are you so afraid that you'll hand over more of your liberties for an illusion of safety? This is the world we live in, its not perfect, it can get dirty and dangerous at times, that is no excuse to go begging to mommy government to protect you from the bogeyman.

Grow the hell up. Start acting like adults. Stop trading in your liberties for government regulation. Stop being pussies.

If they refuse to show their faces, that's a different issue. If the police have the right to ask for identification and need to see their face, then sure, make them remove it. If they refuse, arrest them for obstruction. Its not some convoluted matter that needs more government regulation. Its simple.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by ollncasino

 

So you are arguing that Muslim women should be forced to wear a burqa on the grounds of personal freedom?

NO! I am saying that we should allow personal freedoms/religious freedoms to trump the fear of uniformed individuals!

Robbers wear pantyhose over their heads, should we ban pantyhose?

Robbers hide their guns in jeans, should we ban jeans?

Robbers steal things with their hands, should we cut off hands at birth?

That's pretty ridiculous isn't it? Well that's the road it will go down once we allow personal freedom to be overtaken by fear! Sure...a criminal or two may use a burka to commit a crime. Does that mean we have to ban them all because you are scared?

Grow a pair of balls and live life before issues like this give way to tyranny!

What an utter crock of #!!
Pantyhose are not designed for covering the face, jeans are not designed for concealing guns the fact that some people choose to use these items for those purposes is completely irrelevent in this case.

What is the sole purpose of a Burka? Yup you guessed it, to hide the face.

Have a bit of common sense!!

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Really are you and the others that respond this way really that dense...? Its not the burque, its the fact you cannot see nor identify a person wearing one. If you did not know they refuse to show their faces to police, immigration etc... AGAIN they have every right to return or move to an Islamic country...nothing is stopping them...

I am Muslim and never agreed with the burque or the Quran saying anywhere that woman are forced to wear it...

Sniper

Originally posted by marinesniper0317
reply to post by 23432

 

Really are you and the others that respond this way really that dense...? Its not the burque, its the fact you cannot see nor identify a person wearing one. If you did not know they refuse to show their faces to police, immigration etc... AGAIN they have every right to return or move to an Islamic country...nothing is stopping them...

I am Muslim and never agreed with the burque or the Quran saying anywhere that woman are forced to wear it...

Sniper

Thank you, but of course the do gooders will still say you don't know what you are talking about even though you are quoting the religion as its meant to be, as in modesty does NOT mean Burqa and the forced wearing is MAN made and not in the Koran.

I'm glad they are rare in my area. I would hate to walk out on the streets and see those hideous things everywhere. They creep me out.

That is all.

Boy, this scares me (banning the burka).

I'm not from the UK; I'm from the United States. Over here we have a constitution with amendments, and the very first says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

I'm not a Muslim, I am a Christian, but I view a ban on the burka as a clear "law respecting an establishment of religion" (Islam) and the "free exercise thereof". If a woman wants to wear a burka, head covering, veil, etc (or, even if she feels that she "has to" in order to be a "good Muslim") then I believe it is her constitutional right to do so.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin)

Cheers,
Cody

Ban sunglasses and hats also..they obscure identity.

So, what was their fear anyhow, she was holding a bomb in her mouth or something?

A woman wearing head coverings should have to lift up and expose her face when being IDed, this I agree, but banning..pfft. Brits, this is where you start throwing your freedoms out the door out of racist fears. Look at the broad picture.
First this, then beards and mustaches, hats, makeup, etc etc etc. All of that can be seen as disguising or otherwise hiding your facial recognition. Who does it serve? Yes, such items can fool public facial recognition software being put out all over the place..

but thats not a bad thing.

Originally posted by DarkATi
Boy, this scares me (banning the burka).

I'm not from the UK; I'm from the United States. Over here we have a constitution with amendments, and the very first says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Such stuff is not actually part of their religion though...its their culture.
If you really want to dig, the whole covering up is in all the judeo-christian religions, but it is a suggestion moreso than a religious law...
but, ya..this is a culture thing, not a religious thing.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

The people who wear the Burqa are Wahhabists or followers of that, these follow Shariah law, remember that good old sharaiah law?

The Burqa is the garment of Radical Islam..

Oh, one last thing, you do know that most ordinary Muslims do NOT agree with the burqa, they see it as not part of the religion. Ask them, I did....

Not all Wahhabi are terrorists but almost all Muslim terrorists are Wahhabi.

Incidently, when you see that nice new mosque being built near where you live, and wonder where the money came from, it probably came from Saudi Wahhabi sources. Radical Islam no less.

Not moderate Islam to which the vast majority of Muslims subscribe. Radical Islam that thinks everyone should live their life like Muhammad in the 7th century and who reject modern technology unless they can use it to blow you up.

Of the more than 1,200 mosques in America, more than 80-percent were built with Saudi money, according to author Reza F. Safa.

In fact, Safa writes that the Saudis have spent “$87 billion since 1973 to spread Islam throughout the United States and the Western hemisphere.”

Elsewhere in the world, it is believed that Saudi Arabia finances some 85-percent of the world’s mosques, where the vitriolic and violent Wahabbist interpretation of Islam is taught.

www.nationalreview.com...

Most Muslims are moderate.

If however you want to find some radical Muslims, just follow a burqa.

Originally posted by marinesniper0317
reply to post by 23432

 

Really are you and the others that respond this way really that dense...? Its not the burque, its the fact you cannot see nor identify a person wearing one. If you did not know they refuse to show their faces to police, immigration etc... AGAIN they have every right to return or move to an Islamic country...nothing is stopping them...

I am Muslim and never agreed with the burque or the Quran saying anywhere that woman are forced to wear it...

Sniper

Dense ?



OK .

I grew up in a country where wearing the Burqa is banned .

I am a muslim too and no one in my family has ever wore a Burqa . Still , when I hear people trying to oppress some women due to their choice of clothing , I can't help but think that this is an oppression of those who has CHOOSEN to wear the damn thing .

Today in Turkey , women who wear headscarfs are not allowed to have an equal stand with those who don't wear a headscarf .

Women who have made a choice to wear their headscarf are not allowed to attend universities and they can rarely get jobs .

This issue is one of discrimination and oppression of women .

Women have a right to wear whatever they want and anyone who says that they don't have this right is actually oppressing these women .

Here , please watch this video and understand where this Burqa banning will lead into .




No one has a right to tell another what to wear . I personally don't think that I have a right to dictate another human being what they can or can't wear .

It is that simple .