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What is the relation between Truth and Fear....philosophically speaking.

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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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the only relation i see between truth and fear is free conscious obligations

there are things that dont involve u in ur always freedom right to be absolutely free from all, which is proven in the world how even if u force people to extreme limitations they wont care more about objective facts

but for some free rights in existence fact, they cant b careless about objective facts concerning all from its relation to truth that they are right like, so in limited space they cant be true free right so not related to what is around really if their conscious sees that the surounding space is against existence truth

the fear comes from knowing that u r only relative to ur interests or what u mean or realize symbolically

it is not ur business even in concept truth is what cant b else

but when objective look opposed clearly free rights existing cant but prove being true in negative way

that is why, if u put someone to face what he freely hate he wont be scared
when u r ur freedom then u know how it is all wat u r, there is no else there but u

which prove how all what is sold for that time is lies

noone face his fears, bc everyone is what he is only, so there cant b his fears

fears are only to what u must do while it is not for u nor u




posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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The truth is all is one and consciousness is at the root of all energy. Fear is a way to propagate intelligent evolution.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Fear is the result of humans trying to mend what is already whole.
Fear is not realizing the wholeness of the one consciousness. Fear is separating this into more than this.
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb
 


Fear is the result of humans trying to mend what is already whole.
Fear is not realizing the wholeness of the one consciousness. Fear is separating this into more than this.
edit on 5-3-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


Fear is the result of the survival mandate. Love is too. Fear makes living possible. If not for fear, you wouldn't run from lions. If not for love, you'd kill yourself.

Consciousness, while becoming intelligent, must utilize fear and love to propagate the evolution of intelligence.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb
 


Fear is the result of humans trying to mend what is already whole.
Fear is not realizing the wholeness of the one consciousness. Fear is separating this into more than this.
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Nothing is whole. All is progressing.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Consciousness does not need to 'become' intelligent, consciousness is the intelligent energy that is doing everything, including you.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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Indeed, it is only nothing that IS whole.
Emptiness is form, form is emptiness.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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How can it be one, but not be complete?
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
Must be a relationship between truth and fear.

Only relationship is that they can all be experienced by a brain, as electro-chemical reactions.


Originally posted by diamondsmith
Maybe the fear of telling the truth..sometimes.

Or fear of telling people what a god tells them



Originally posted by diamondsmith
There are relative Truths, absolute Truths, personal Truths, Truths reported in other Truths and Truths reported to Lie.

Nay, there is but one truth. The truth.

Anything else is false, either something is true or it is not.


Originally posted by diamondsmith
There are relative Lies, absolute Lies, personal Lies, Lies reported in other Lies and Lies reported to the Truth.

Again, only one lie. Anything that is not the truth, is a lie.


Originally posted by diamondsmith
So,we have a triple relation,which can be combined.

Truth-Lie -Fear

I strongly disagree, truth/lie. Well those are concepts, fear is an electro-chemical response in a beings brain. Two entirely different things, and not really combineable. Other than hearing the truth may cause fear in some people...


Originally posted by diamondsmith
Question is whether one can exclude the other and which one....

You're kidding right?

You are asking if one can either A) Tell the truth, or B) Lie, or C) be afraid. Since they all operate free from each other, then yeah you can exclude or even combine them with other emotions/concepts!


Originally posted by diamondsmith
Living in fear telling for the truth.

Ahh, correlation does not equal causation. While telling the truth could cause a fear reprisal, fearing telling the truth does not mean fear = truth.

Same holds true (heh) for lies, since they be just the opposite of a truth.


Originally posted by diamondsmith
Maybe there is a program where you can insert a Text to get a value of the truth in those words in percentage.

There is, it is called Google (for the most part.)

Of course, you have to do a little of your own work.


Originally posted by diamondsmith
Or to analyze in time the true margin of a person's written words you can get an overall percentage of the Truth.

You mean like people who say they talked to a god, yet are too afraid to say what was said?

How about people too afraid to discuss a concept without using platitudes, and hocus pocus cryptic lingo.

Sitting back waiting for the "mystical" responses, again.
Gonna have mods shut this thread down too when you fail to "win"?
Still waiting on a response to my private message!



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Consciousness does not need to 'become' intelligent, consciousness is the intelligent energy that is doing everything, including you.


Consciousness is doing intelligent energy. Intelligent energy is what I am. Consciousness is what all is.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
How can it be one, but not be complete?
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The same reason a wise person admits he or she is imperfect.

There is always growth. Growth implies the current state is incomplete. We are one with the growing. We are intelligent energy.

We are that and that is one, but it won't ever be complete.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Fear is the result of humans trying to mend what is already whole.
Fear is not realizing the wholeness of the one consciousness. Fear is separating this into more than this.
edit on 5-3-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)


Fear is the result of the survival mandate. Love is too. Fear makes living possible. If not for fear, you wouldn't run from lions. If not for love, you'd kill yourself.

Consciousness, while becoming intelligent, must utilize fear and love to propagate the evolution of intelligence.


We are consciousness. We must survive. To survive, we are being pushed by fear and pulled by love. We are in between. We are running towards love and running from fear. We are progressing towards love and progressing away from fear. However, I'm not sure if we will ever arrive at our destination. Unless we don't need to survive anymore.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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We fear lies because the truth is not in us. The biggest most insidious lies are the ones we tell ourselves that we do not hear. The ones we justify ourselves with, the ones we construct our reality with. We are not capable of true objectivity regarding ourselves. We fail to understand that ego is not our friend, mind is not our friend, together they construct the lies. We fear knowing this so much that we kill to preserve our illusion.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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We fear lies because the truth is not in us
Sometimes the truth is next to us like ghost but we fear of him,as we cannot accept that can be a part of us.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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There is no more a relationship between fear and truth than there is between fear or truth and anything else.

The impact of fearing truth can be more powerful than many other things, but there is no implicit relationship between fear and truth. When you fear something, you do not automatically fear truth.

And when you hear or read truth, you do not automatically fear something.

Truth can bring relief, can bring joy, can bring pain, can bring sadness. It does not always bring fear.

You can be afraid of water, of fire, of being cut...you can be afraid of dogs or sharks or dolls or peanut butter. None of these things have anything to do with truth.

You can fear truth...but that doesn't mean truth and fear are intertwined.
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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we fear of him,as we cannot accept that can be a part of us.


can you explain more about that?



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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We fail to understand that ego is not our friend, mind is not our friend, together they construct the lies. We fear knowing this so much that we kill to preserve our illusion.
Mankind has become very much what you say is a logical consequence and progressive fact. The peak may have been already been achieved.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Iamschist
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we fear of him,as we cannot accept that can be a part of us.


can you explain more about that?
Maybe we have shift off of the existential truths that are now history.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Mankind has become very much what you say is a logical consequence and progressive fact. The peak may have been already been achieved.


I am listening.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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The passing truths are that I am alone, I have power, I am mortal, there is no meaning beyond that I create? As in Irvin Yalom?



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