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Originally posted by User8911
The egg of Ishtar - Babylon
Easter eggs - Christian
Sorry to burst your lie, but paganism is rampant in Christianity and the Vatican.
Truth and love is the way to God, don't be blinded by the deception.
Originally posted by colbe
Ooooh, the stubborn anti-Catholicism.
Originally posted by colbe
You didn't read the OP.
Originally posted by colbe
In contrast to Rev. Woodrow, anyone who *does* learn the facts of the matter and still insists that the Catholic Church has been "corrupted by paganism" is either incapable of intelligent reasoning (that is, mentally handicapped) or dishonest - period.
Originally posted by colbe
By your thinking, Christ Himself is pagan.
Originally posted by colbe
By your thinking, Christ Himself is pagan.
Comparing similarities between paganism and Catholicism is stupid. You could do that with any belief and there are "some" similarities Protestant Christians accept.
And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Originally posted by BACONHAWK
McDonalds golden arches are based on the St. Louis Arch right? So, you see, we do live in modern day babylon.
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Originally posted by User8911
Originally posted by colbe
Ooooh, the stubborn anti-Catholicism.
I'm anti-religion because I don't believe God or Jesus wanted people to practice religion, they only want people to have faith and faith is not religion.
Originally posted by colbe
You didn't read the OP.
Originally posted by colbe
In contrast to Rev. Woodrow, anyone who *does* learn the facts of the matter and still insists that the Catholic Church has been "corrupted by paganism" is either incapable of intelligent reasoning (that is, mentally handicapped) or dishonest - period.
Yes I read that you think someone is incapable of intelligent reasoning if they think the catholic church was corrupted by paganism.
I personally think that paganism is closer to the Catholic religion then religion is close to God.
Originally posted by colbe
By your thinking, Christ Himself is pagan.
Well it seems you don't know my thinking because Jesus was against religion but not against faith like I am.
That's what I think.edit on 4-3-2012 by User8911 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by curious7
Originally posted by colbe
By your thinking, Christ Himself is pagan.
Nope.
Christ was a Jew.
Christianity didn't come about until long after his death. Catholicism came hundreds of years after that when a Roman emperor made Christianity the main religion of the empire.
Pagan traditions were used in Christianity and still to this day (Easter eggs, Christmas trees, solstices etc).
You seem hell bent on trying to convert people to Catholicism and claiming it is the "true" religion by posting conversion threads, Bible quotes and arguing against common and evidence based facts instead of trying to talk about the true message of love and peace to all of mankind along with forgiveness and respect.
Catholicism is only the "true" religion to those who vehemently oppose the idea that other religions came before and that others have other ideals and belong to a different version of the "one god preaching love and kindness" thing.
The sooner you realise the error of your ways and start reaching out to Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and others on this forum to show solidarity in faith instead of divisive "my religion is better than yours" comments and posts the better.
Maybe then gnostics and those unsure of their faith can be a lot more sure of themselves and what they believe in and the world (at least on ATS) would be a slightly better, more welcoming place.
In contrast to Rev. Woodrow, anyone who *does* learn the facts of the matter and still insists that the Catholic Church has been "corrupted by paganism" is either incapable of intelligent reasoning (that is, mentally handicapped) or dishonest - period.
"On your day of pagan gladness, we [Christians]
Neither cover our doorposts with wreaths...
You consider it a proper thing to decorate your
house like some new brothel...but we do not
celebrate along with you the holidays..."
-(Tertullian, (A.D. 155-220), 2001, p. 1176).
(quoted by David Bercot,
A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs,
1998, p. 342).
December 25th was observed as a Holiday
long before Christ was born. In fact,
while Christ was still on the earth, both
he and his early followers were witness to
the Joyous merry-making of the Roman Saturnalia,
that occured every December. It is certain
that Jesus and his Apostles were able to see,
the gift-giving, the feasting, ane the decorating
of fir trees, during the Pagan Holidays of Rome.
The houses were decorated with Holly, Mistletoe,
and evergreen wreaths, on the very day that
mankind now claims is in honor of Christ.
Yet this was the pagan Saturnalia of Rome during
the celebration of the sun-god "Sol".
"December 25th was the day the Romans
celebrated the birth of their (pagan) sun-god."
-The Encyclopedia Americana,
vol. 6, pg. 623.
"to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan
masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient
to institute the 25th of December as the feast
of the birth of Christ...from the pagan feast,
celebrated on the same day in honor of the pagan god,
Mithras..."
-(Manual of Liturgical History, 1955, Vol. 2, p. 67).
"as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks,
it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet
commenced(begun), and that, consequently, our Lord
was NOT born on the 25th of December, when no flocks
were out in the fields; nor could He have been born
later than September, as the flocks were still in the
fields by night. On this very ground the nativity in
December should be given up. The feeding of the
flocks by night in the fields is a chronological fact,
which casts considerable light upon this disputed point"
- (Adam Clarke's Commentary,
Abingdon Press, Nashville,
note on Luke 2:8). "ex]
The truth is, you worship Nimrod and Semiramis (Ishtar/Inanna) and their baby son Tammuz.
Ishtar, the Queen of Heaven
Your brand of christianity is called "Mithraism"
Source
edit on 4-3-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by curious7
Originally posted by colbe
By your thinking, Christ Himself is pagan.
Nope.
Christ was a Jew.
Christianity didn't come about until long after his death. Catholicism came hundreds of years after that when a Roman emperor made Christianity the main religion of the empire.
Pagan traditions were used in Christianity and still to this day (Easter eggs, Christmas trees, solstices etc).
You seem hell bent on trying to convert people to Catholicism and claiming it is the "true" religion by posting conversion threads, Bible quotes and arguing against common and evidence based facts instead of trying to talk about the true message of love and peace to all of mankind along with forgiveness and respect.
Catholicism is only the "true" religion to those who vehemently oppose the idea that other religions came before and that others have other ideals and belong to a different version of the "one god preaching love and kindness" thing.
The sooner you realise the error of your ways and start reaching out to Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and others on this forum to show solidarity in faith instead of divisive "my religion is better than yours" comments and posts the better.
Maybe then gnostics and those unsure of their faith can be a lot more sure of themselves and what they believe in and the world (at least on ATS) would be a slightly better, more welcoming place.
It is not nice to say "hell bent" in referring to me, your mock because you disagree.
I was directing my comments to someone who rejected the subject of the OP. By looking at similarities, so is non-Catholic Christianity. The same for any belief if you accept their examples and did you read, you could make the same claim about Our Lord. It's ridiculous, there is no connection between paganism and the faith. They are at opposites, Catholicism is divine in origin.
Jesus was born a Jew, who also as God came to establish God's New Covenant with mankind. There are bits of Jesus' teachings accepted by certain groups but only is the fullness of Our Lord's revelation in the New Covenant proclaimed by Catholicism, Christ's Church. Everyone else must come to belief even the non-Christian believers you spoke of.
Remember our discussion when the Great Warning happens. It will be your free will choice to accept God showing you personally what
I just stated.
God bless you curious7,
Originally posted by The GUT
Yeah, I'll stay out of the Catholic/Paganism debate.
I will ask you, as a fellow believer, do you think the Catholic Church is a reflection of the first century church? I don't think so.
The average Catholic is a very good person willing to help others. I personally think Catholics are Christians, although I know quite a few "Christians" who believe otherwise.
On the other hand I think some--or even all--of the Popes and other "leaders" are in some very real danger come judgement day.
Then again, so am I barring mercy.
Your zealouness is admirable, Colbe, but you don't seem all that familiar with the Bible when it comes to Catholicism and your eagerness to accept some modern folk as Prophets.