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Jesus couldn't set up the Roman Catholic church because it was established by a Roman Emperor several hundred years after Jesus' purported death because said Emperor (forget the name right now) was the first to follow the brand new religion of Christianity instead of the traditional Roman religion with several gods and goddesses and made it law to follow Christianity with his own rules on how it should be followed and worshipped.
Originally posted by colbe
Bravo ~!!~
he discovered the Truth or at least part of it. Comparing similarities between paganism and Catholicism is stupid. You could do that with any belief and there are "some" similarities Protestant Christians accept.
Christianity is not the same as paganism.
Message from Ralph Woodrow regarding the book BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION
For a number of years my book BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION was very popular, enjoyed a wide circulation, and was translated into various languages. To this day, we do not cease to receive orders and inquiries about it. Despite its popularity, several years ago we pulled it out of print and now offer a replacement book THE BABYLON CONNECTION
Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by NOTurTypical
There we go, thanks.
He set it in motion nonetheless but I knew I wwas a little fuzzy on that, that's why I wasn't bold enough to lay down a name just in case.
Christians gather in assembly on Sunday to keep the Lord's Day, to worship God, keeping His Commandment.
Christians gather in assembly on Sunday to keep the Lord's Day, to worship God, keeping His Commandment.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by curious7
Jesus couldn't set up the Roman Catholic church because it was established by a Roman Emperor several hundred years after Jesus' purported death because said Emperor (forget the name right now) was the first to follow the brand new religion of Christianity instead of the traditional Roman religion with several gods and goddesses and made it law to follow Christianity with his own rules on how it should be followed and worshipped.
Not exactly, but you are close. You're thinking of Constantine, but he didn't make Christianity the state religion of the empire, his 2nd successor did that. Constantine merely made it a legal religion, one of many.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
Christians gather in assembly on Sunday to keep the Lord's Day, to worship God, keeping His Commandment.
I hate to have to burst your bubble but, Sunday was never the Lord's day and this proves it.
John 8:54-56
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
What day was the Lord's day? Abraham didn't take Sabbath on Sunday, he took it on Saturday starting dusk Friday to dusk Saturday. Even before God gave Israel the Saturday Sabbath Everyone before Abraham who knew of God too the day of rest on Saturday all the way back to Enoch and Adam. Abraham was gentile, he wasn't jew. He was the very first hebrew which means "those who cross over" meaning across the river and out of Babylon.
John 8:56 Happened before Jesus was crucified. Many christians mistakeningly believe the "Lord's Day" was the day he resurrected but that is not what Jesus said in John 8:56.
John 8:57-58 57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
This is where Jesus says he is I AM. What day did the Lord Hallow and sanctify? This goes all the way back to Genesis chapter 2:
Genesis 2:1-3 1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
The seventh day is what day of the week? Saturday. Sunday is the first day of the week, the day Jesus resurrected on.
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Jesus was crucified on Friday and arose on Sunday, the first day of the week. Are you getting it yet or does it still need time to sink in?
Christians gather in assembly on Sunday to keep the Lord's Day, to worship God, keeping His Commandment.
So point to me where in scripture Jesus said his day was Sunday and that by worshipping him on Sunday we are keeping his commandment. You can't do it can you? Thats because it is not in the bible because he didn't change it. You are stuffing words in his mouth by twisting scripture. The complete truth can be found within the entirety of both Old and New Testament, and nowher ein either book will you find him changing the sabbath to sunday and the fact that early christians including gentiles kept the sabbath on Saturday from dusk friday to dusk saturday.
You may worship him on Sunday because you are supposed to worship God everyday, but Sunday never was the Sabbath and it never will be.
If you want to state your case that Jesus changed the sabbath to Sunday, show me where and by what scripture, chapter and verse, but i know you cannot because it isn't there because he did not. Sunday worship is a tradition created by the Roman Catholic Church, not the Apostles who lived before the pagan church.
There he is again, one man, you've covered it. Can you name someone
else?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
There he is again, one man, you've covered it. Can you name someone
else?
No, there is only 1 man who made Christianity the state religion of the Empire, that's truth.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
There he is again, one man, you've covered it. Can you name someone
else?
No, there is only 1 man who made Christianity the state religion of the Empire, that's truth.
One sentence reply...
I am referring to Christian history, you are stuck on Constantine and explain no more. You can't. Church history is Catholic. Come along, give us names, timelines.
Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by colbe
The "Protestant revolt" as you call it happened hundreds of years after Catholicism was created which itself was hundreds of years after Jesus' death so you still seem to be under the impression that Catholicism is the original version of Christianity, which is wrong.
The first true version of Christianity in group worship form was a small sect which lived and died in the region near to where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found.
Also, again, you're wrong.
The traditional Sabbath is supposed to be a saturday, not sunday.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
There he is again, one man, you've covered it. Can you name someone
else?
No, there is only 1 man who made Christianity the state religion of the Empire, that's truth.
One sentence reply...
I am referring to Christian history, you are stuck on Constantine and explain no more. You can't. Church history is Catholic. Come along, give us names, timelines.
Haven't you been paying attention? I'm NOT talking about Constantine, he didn't make Christianity the state religion of the empire, he only legalized it.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by colbe
The "Protestant revolt" as you call it happened hundreds of years after Catholicism was created which itself was hundreds of years after Jesus' death so you still seem to be under the impression that Catholicism is the original version of Christianity, which is wrong.
The first true version of Christianity in group worship form was a small sect which lived and died in the region near to where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found.
Also, again, you're wrong.
The traditional Sabbath is supposed to be a saturday, not sunday.
Yes, Sabbath is Friday evening to Saturday eve, but we worship the Lord in Spirit and truth everyday, not just one day a week. He is our Sabbath, it's only a picture of freedom in Him. We no longer need the shadows when we have Jesus.
The first Christians in the first century met in house churches for the most part except for maybe a dozen "church" buildings. But they were called gatherings.
Originally posted by colbe
People can change. Rev. Woodrow did, let us discuss his words here.
What say you? Don't run away....change the subject. Similarities are no
proof. What a waste of time to believe the "pagan" nonsense. Check that
off your list.
When God shows you personally in the Great Warning, it won't be such a shock or prideful denial. I could of had the Real Presence and I settled
for juice and crackers, you'll shake your head...and shout with joy, NO MORE!
_ _ _ _ _
"By this method, the Lord himself would be pagan. The woman called Mystery Babylon had a cup in her hand; the Lord has a cup in his hand (Ps. 75:8). Pagan kings sat on thrones and wore crowns; the Lord sits on a throne and wears a crown (Rev. 1:4; 14:14). Pagans worshiped the sun; the Lord is the "sun of righteousness" (Mal. 4:2). Pagan gods were likened to stars; the Lord is called "the bright morning star" (Rev. 22:16). Pagan gods had temples dedicated to them; the Lord has a temple (Rev. 7:15). Pagan gods were pictured with wings; the Lord is pictured with wings (Ps. 91:4)."
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by colbe
The "Protestant revolt" as you call it happened hundreds of years after Catholicism was created which itself was hundreds of years after Jesus' death so you still seem to be under the impression that Catholicism is the original version of Christianity, which is wrong.
The first true version of Christianity in group worship form was a small sect which lived and died in the region near to where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found.
Also, again, you're wrong.
The traditional Sabbath is supposed to be a saturday, not sunday.
Yes, Sabbath is Friday evening to Saturday eve, but we worship the Lord in Spirit and truth everyday, not just one day a week. He is our Sabbath, it's only a picture of freedom in Him. We no longer need the shadows when we have Jesus.
The first Christians in the first century met in house churches for the most part except for maybe a dozen "church" buildings. But they were called gatherings.
Judaism keeps the Sabbath, you profess you are Christian. Which are you?
Church comes from the word assembly. Seee...the first Christians
Your "gatherings" means the same.
Do you gather with fellow Christians of the same belief on Sunday, the Lord's Day?
Sounds like you don't. Breaking God's Commandment.
You pridefully only wish to disobey. Get out of bed some Sunday
and see the Christians going to Church, "gathering" in Church to worship God.
The highest form of worship is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Protestants have the preacher's sermon as the center of their Sunday worship...with some Scripture readings.
Paul stated, they assembled together to worship on the first day of the week, to "break bread", this is the Eucharist.
Only a baby Christian would reply with a comment about "Churches"
built later as an excuse to reject attending Church on Sunday.
He will say, it includes going to Church on Sunday.
I have, doesn't take much attention by anyone. I see you have no Church history to confirm or speak of being a Protestant so you keep repeating one man's name, the exact sentence once again. That's it. Sorry buddy, there are libraries full of Catholic history, the full history. Yours began in 1517. You're out.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
I have, doesn't take much attention by anyone. I see you have no Church history to confirm or speak of being a Protestant so you keep repeating one man's name, the exact sentence once again. That's it. Sorry buddy, there are libraries full of Catholic history, the full history. Yours began in 1517. You're out.
Dude, you're butting in a conversation I'm having with ATS Member Curious7 about the first emperor of the Roman Empire to make Christianity the official state-religion of said empire. I don't have provide Protestant history for that. It was Constantine's 2nd successor. Constantine only legalized Christianity. It was illegal before that. It was illegal because Christians refused to participate in Caesar worship.
edit on 6-3-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by colbe
The "Protestant revolt" as you call it happened hundreds of years after Catholicism was created which itself was hundreds of years after Jesus' death so you still seem to be under the impression that Catholicism is the original version of Christianity, which is wrong.
The first true version of Christianity in group worship form was a small sect which lived and died in the region near to where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found.
Also, again, you're wrong.
The traditional Sabbath is supposed to be a saturday, not sunday.
Yes, Sabbath is Friday evening to Saturday eve, but we worship the Lord in Spirit and truth everyday, not just one day a week. He is our Sabbath, it's only a picture of freedom in Him. We no longer need the shadows when we have Jesus.
The first Christians in the first century met in house churches for the most part except for maybe a dozen "church" buildings. But they were called gatherings.
Judaism keeps the Sabbath, you profess you are Christian. Which are you?
I never said I "keep" the Sabbath. I said the Sabbath is from Friday sundown till Saturday sundown. And it is.
Church comes from the word assembly. Seee...the first Christians
No, church is from the Greek word "Ekklesia", which means "set apart". The church is set apart in God's plan of redemption. The first Christians didn't have churches built yet, they met in houses.