Iran's Grand Ayatollahs - 'Earth Belongs to Muslims and the End is Near

reply to post by Danbones


What exactly are you trying to prove?

2nd

reply to post by milkyway12


religion is the poor mans' excuse for getting his butt shot off to make some else rich.
quoting those religions expresses that quite clearly

no matter which side a person is on

reply to post by Danbones


In my opinion that makes very little sense. I could say being "not" religious is a way for a man to try and not to be accountable for things a belief says he has done against God?

I mean , not real sure where money comes into play. You arent required to give anything in the New Testament , you are asked , not "required". You still recieve the same blessings as any one else , except when you give you show faith and God rewards faith in my belief.

When "you" give your life to God , remember , you declared your life as his to use. God doesnt promise worldly riches. Satan does. You dont have to be rich to be contempt and satisfied.

99.9% Lies and propoganda. Muslims and terrorists dont want to kill America anymore than they did 10 years ago.Besides in all fairness, i think its there turn now to attack your soil and see how you like it. And if they did, would you really blame them, pretend the roles were reversed, because to them, you are the terrorists, and i can see it, why cant you?

reply to post by kman420


Because we arent stupid.

2nd.

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi
You see, it is not us muslims who will make war or conquer countries or whatever in order to "make" Islam prevail. It is GOD who will do it.

The bloody history of Islam says otherwise. And as far as forced conversions .. I guess that poor Christian pastor who is going to die all because he wouldn't convert to Islam is all our imagination, eh? Riiiight.

Originally posted by ollncasino
Yet Muhammad wasn't god but merely a prophet but he still said

Actually, he was just a guy who claimed to be a prophet. His life story says otherwise.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
I guess we should go to war with them ...

aaaaaaaand we have another one ... somehow discussing what the Ayatollahs say equates to us being the bad guys and demanding war. Okay .. so we can't have a rational discussion about what the Ayatollahs say or else somehow we become the bad guy. :shk: NUTZ

reply to post by milkyway12

spiritual doesn't equate to religious
how about every one man up and take responisibility for thier own thoughts and deeds?
and stand before their maker and take responsibility for thier own lives?

all these monotheistic religions claim they deserve the earth....
now lets all fight and kill ourselves ( and you non religious but very spiritual folks that just happen to be in the way too)
the bankers need the money

I ve posted the history of how the current government in Iran, as it is in the the US, and Israel, and in other countries, is a construct of the western oligarchical interests enough times I'm sure...

reply to post by Danbones


Manning up and taking responsibility of your actions ... is not a whole lot actually. Unless you committed a felony offence in which you have been caught , isn't a whole lot to man up too.

You get use to it and numb to wrong doings in accepted moral sight and your accountability pretty much disappears and again unless you break the law in which you have been caught.

reply to post by milkyway12


you are entitled to that belief I hope it gets you where you want to go.
but that is the topic for another thread

as it relates to this thread?
the ayatollas are in the same control as all the others, and this is only about religion in so far as it motivates people to do the bidding of the war profiteers, and eugenicists.

note the more tenser the rhetoric the higher the price of oil....

in support of my last post

Oil prices rise on Iran's threats to cut off Strait of Hormuz
Oil prices climbed 70 cents to $111.14 a barrel on Monday, after Iran issued fresh threats to cut off up to 17m barrels per day of oil supply from world markets by shutting down the Strait of Hormuz.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

there are some whos only "religion" is business
death is a business, and business is good.

reply to post by Danbones


I would like to state that Oil is a necessity such as Water and Food to the world. Oil has caused the world population to grow to 7 Billion human beings in under 200 years.

Without Oil Billions of people would die yet again. Oil must be protected and if so let possible ... legally purchased within reason. If oil goes to 5 dollars a barrel the US might as well not have any oil at all. The economy of the US and World would collapse.

I believe the Ayatollahs see this and are doing their best to profit as much as possible off the oil (Gold Standard coming into play here) and then they will simply target the world's oil supply instead of population centers.

People do not realize without Oil , the world will fall. The Ayatollahs see this.

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Until the early 1800s (when oil began to be used) the population held steady in the 1 Billions ... then the population skyrocketed with the use of fossil fuels (Oil and Natural Gas). Without it , a lot of us would be dead or not here.

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PS: I am not denying our government is not in bed with Oil companies. The Oil companies are very corrupt , but again without Oil .... the world economy would pretty much collapse. We simply cant just throw it out and say "Ah , im tired of Oil , new power source please".

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reply to post by milkyway12


according to "veterans to day" so does Israel..
it reported that they were conspiring together to drive up the oil that both countries deal in
and oil is only a nesessity to preserve the status quo
Its dominance was installed by bankers at the expense of much better ways of doing things.

the diesel was designed to run on vegetable oil
prohibition stopped ford's alcohol power....etc

reply to post by Danbones


Now this theory i am not well dressed in. I simply know many of the facts associated with Oil makes it nearly impossible to simply shed and it also brought the world population to 7 Billion. Without oil , if we ran out today , the world would be unable to sustain 7 billion Human beings leading to the death of at least 1/3 of the human population.

Oil is very corrupt , but we cant allow outside forces (as corrupt as oil companies are) to cut off the oil supply. Which the US government sees Iran attempting to do. Iran will hurt the West dramatically by destroying Oil production facilities.

in support of my last post:

As the news fills with stories about Israel’s plan to attack nuclear weapons facilities in Iran, real or imagined, an October 27 story in Veterans Today, Iran and Israel Caught – Partnering in Nuclear Attack Ploy, laid bare their war plans based on a series of highly placed leaks.

There were so many “leakers”, Israel, Iran, Ukraine, US, that we hardly had time to talk to them all.

Why the leaks? Seldom in history has there been a war so few people actually want to fight.

As our initial report indicates, not only does Iran know it’s coming, they have agreed to “paint” the target themselves. They need it more than Israel does.

When we ask why, we descend into the murky world of finance where money disasters, as we have seen in the European Union, reeling from one Greek disaster to another, can be worse than any nuclear attack.


Big Wins - Big Losses - Often Depend on Manipulation
For Israel, the problem is “oil futures.” “Futures” aren’t really investments, they’re really bets, gambling, usually based on “insider knowledge” of a market.

The oil market is based on “supply and demand.” Economic circumstances controls supply and world economies are crashing and out of control, particularly in Europe but the United States as well, the two largest oil markets.

There is no demand for oil.

This leaves “supply.” Oil supplies are controlled two ways. Prices are pushed up by threats of war which could include damage or even purposeful attack on oil facilities as in Kuwait.

A more unique situation is Iran’s capability of shutting off supply by closing the Straits of Hormuz, the narrow waterway where oil tankers from the Persian Gulf must pass.

www.veteranstoday.com...


Israel gets it oil by pipe from Iraq, then sells it to china, who sells it to the Us refined.
The US can't use its own massive oil fields like the north slope (capped) or the bakun field( to be drilled someday)
because then the world oil price would plummet, and the oil companies won't allow drilling or refining in the US, for that same reason.

reply to post by milkyway12


both the US and the Iranians are Oil soaked

Obama biggest recipient of BP cash

www.politico.com...

Khomeini’s real father, William Richard Williamson, was born in Bristol, England, in 1872 of British parents and lineage. This detail is based on first-hand evidence from a former Iranian employee of the Anglo- Iranian Oil Company (later known as British Petroleum- BP), who worked with and met the key players of this saga. This fact was supported by the lack of a denial in 1979 by Col. Archie Chisholm, a BP political officer and former editor at The Financial Times, when interviewed on the subject at his home in County Cork, Ireland, by a British newspaper.

www.discoveringislam.org...

a reprise to the William F Engdahl article detailing the Carter era installation of the ayatollahs
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by torqpoc


Thanks for the compliment Torq

I agree there is no right on any side to use us like cannon bait for profit

I think I have illustrated a decent case that we are all being played for profit from all sides of authority and wealth.

reply to post by FlyersFan



Its a SAD move to try and FORCE what many believe to be their EA* In time shall we see whos world this really is and who FAILED it from various locations and belief systems.. SMH

reply to post by Danbones


because we have a sorry ass lousy president that is ruled by the tree hugging EPA. and they will not allow drilling it might kill a spotted newt, or a guppy or something like that, and the key word is "MIGHT" not WILL.. The best thing the USA could ever do is to completely defund the EPA and get rid of that agency, it has single handed bankrupt this country.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Grand Ayatollah Nouri Hamedani, also a Twelver and a “Marja” with followers around the world, says the recent progress of Iran’s nuclear program is hailed as “significant and one that has shocked the infidels.”

the "infidels" as the imam calls them don't need to be shocked as they're 60+ years ahead in that area anyway, lol

iran keeps pushing for an excuse to drop the bomb and reminds me of a shopaholic girl who can't wait to wear and show off the new clothes she just bought.