10th amendment : Georgia considering creating panel to exempt itself from federal laws

reply to post by ThirdRock69


Where the hell in Georgia did YOU go?! I live here and everything you've said is the same stuff people make up in their minds about places they aren't too familiar with. I moved here from California, and all I have to say is people are nicer, regardless of race. OF COURSE there are racists in ANY state, but you can't lump a whole state into being one thing or another... It's like saying everyone in Texas wears cowboy boots...

Seriously if you want to reply with something you don't know about at least put up that you don't really know for sure or not.

On topic: I'm glad Georgia has been taking initiative on some serious issues as of late. I recently purchased my first firearm and it was nice not having to deal with so much red tape as there was in CA... Up next, CCW permit.
Thanks for the heads up.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
This is awesome.

Should Georgia exempt itself from federal law?

A panel of Georgia lawmakers would have the power to review federal law and declare it illegal under a proposal in the state Senate.

Senate Resolution 889 would create a "joint commission on recommendation" to advise on which federal laws infringed on the state. If approved by two-thirds of the General Assembly, Georgia residents would be exempted from following them.

Things to be exempted from :
- NDAA
- Patriot act
- Drug war
- Warrantless spying
- SOPA/PIPA

Stuff like that... Go Georgia! All states should pass that.

This isn't going to happen. This is Nullification. If you know your history you know what happened the last two times states tried to nullify federal laws.




The first time Andrew Jackson laid the smackdown on South Carolina and the second time 600,000 people died. Nullification is bad, it makes "The United States are" rather than "The United States is".

reply to post by IanPaul


I was in Atlanta. As I said before it was over 15 years ago.

I agree that people are more polite on the surface. It's that Southern hospitality type thing.

But there was a deep seeded underlying atmosphere of segregation.

I think most politicians there still belong to the good ol' boys club.

I am not trying to lump everyone together.

I am also from California. Everyone could tell I was not from there because of the way I talked.

I had to start talking like a Southerner and people opened up to me much more.

Instead of saying Hi or hello, i would say hey y'all. LOL you would not believe how many doors opened up to me that way. There was an obvious bias against outsiders.

If you're near Atlanta, I bet you go party in Buckhead and avoid the Underground. Am I right?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

That sounds a little scary to me. What's to stop them from re-instating slavery in their state, or outlawing interracial marriages, or other federal laws regarding civil rights? I don't think they can/should do this.

The bill of rights and constitution.

Also people are not THAT backwards.

I lived in Georgia. You are very, sadly, wrong that people are not THAT backwards. I can tell you from first hand knowledge that they are. Not all of them of course, but enough of them to be scary.

Buckhead is gone. It is a shopping district, same for underground. Ive lived all over GA, and still do, you can only buy alcohol on Sunday at a bar or on a federal property. The segregation in Atlanta is due to zoning and property taxes, as well as historical migrations. Its weird to me that people associate GA's 'country bumpkins' with rednecks and 'gangstas' with blacks, its a silly label. I live in a farming area full of country bumpkins and I am one of the few whites here. We do a really great job of breaking stereotypes while still giving some stereotypes some validity.

reply to post by SG-17

The first time Andrew Jackson laid the smackdown on South Carolina and the second time 600,000 people died. Nullification is bad, it makes "The United States are" rather than "The United States is".

Well whoever shoots first loses, so let the thugs in Washington DC start it if they really want it.

The feds are treasonous bullies and need to be stand up against.

The last chance of ``voting`` making a change in Washington DC is Ron Paul. After that, it's up to the states to tell the feds to stick it. If the feds want to start war over it after that, it's their choice. They start the war, they lose.

reply to post by mretgis


Well thanks for that info. If I ever go back there I know not to go to Buckhead or the Underground for a nightscene then.

This comment below is not directed at you mretgis. It's more directed at the Southern folk who are in denial.

Locations may change but traditions don't. I'm still amazed at how many people from the South want to deny the racism and bury the past.

You know another place I've visited is Germany. Guess what, they want to bury the past their too.

Originally posted by ThirdRock69
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Are you forgetting Georgia just tried to drag Obama into court over the whole birth certificate thing. And they tried to get him thrown off the presidential ballot in their State?

In Georgia it's still illegal to buy alcohol on Sundays. You have to go to a special store and buy "packaged goods".

I don't even drink but I think Georgia is still pretty backwards and they are living about 20 years in the past compared to the rest of the USA.

Upfront they might try to make this about Freedom but it is a ruse and is most likely about racism.

I'm all for keeping the power of the State strong and letting States make their own laws.

That way I can avoid those States and all the good ol' boys . But saying they have the power to override Federal law is taking it too far. I think we all need to speak up and have the Federal Government repeal the patriot act Nationwide.

edit on 23-2-2012 by ThirdRock69 because: (no reason given)

i have yet to find anything as backwards as these, in Georgia and iv'e been there many times.

- NDAA
- Patriot act
- Drug war
- Warrantless spying
- SOPA/PIPA

reply to post by Vitchilo

The last chance of ``voting`` making a change in Washington DC is Ron Paul. After that, it's up to the states to tell the feds to stick it. If the feds want to start war over it after that, it's their choice. They start the war, they lose.

I understand your anger. I don't understand your logic.

The Feds won't come with guns. They will come with lawyers and taxes and budget cuts.

You won't have a chance in hell trying to use a gun in this battle.

Talk of violence is irrational and only empty threats. It's only going to get someone killed.

One guy Ron Paul or anyone is not going to solve this. Everyone needs to voice their opinion and vote, write politicians. protest unjust laws and fight corruption.

How do you fight corruption? With good people who get educated and stay involved politically and legally and pass their knowledge. Right?

So we need passionate people like yourself to play your part where ever you fit in. The problem is you get people from both sides becoming indoctrinated into these left/right North/South white/black republican/democrat capitalist/socialist rich/poor ideologies.

It's not the FED's taking our freedom. It's us, we're giving it away. We all sit and argue about b*llsh*t and nothing gets done and the people at the bottom suffer the most. 9/11 caused the Patriot Act and TSA . Now that people realize what actually happened and was already happening and still happening are all looking for someone to blame.

We gotta blame ourselves and get over it and try to collectively come together again. The system can work if we work within the system. If the rich are the only ones who can write and understand the laws then they will always be in power.

We need to fix the education system if we are ever going to fix the political system.

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

i have yet to find anything as backwards as these, in Georgia and iv'e been there many times.

- NDAA
- Patriot act
- Drug war
- Warrantless spying
- SOPA/PIPA

It would be hard for me to argue with you there.

But what's your point?

I actually would be very interested in how this would all play out. As long as this stayed a legal battle. No one wants any kind of violence I hope. The problem is if people don't accept the courts decisions.

I would like to hear someone come up with some kind of hypothetical scenario. Suppose you say the drug war or pick a different item on that list.

OK so Georgia changes it's policy on the drug war. What does that mean? They want to de-criminalize it? What? The Feds move in to make arrests and what a State militia will try to protect it's citizens from being arrested? Those citizens now are not safe to leave the State lest they be arrested?

The biggest problem is that all these legal battles only suck more money away from education and local health and emergency services. And the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
reply to post by SG-17

 

The first time Andrew Jackson laid the smackdown on South Carolina and the second time 600,000 people died. Nullification is bad, it makes "The United States are" rather than "The United States is".

Well whoever shoots first loses, so let the thugs in Washington DC start it if they really want it.

The feds are treasonous bullies and need to be stand up against.

The last chance of ``voting`` making a change in Washington DC is Ron Paul. After that, it's up to the states to tell the feds to stick it. If the feds want to start war over it after that, it's their choice. They start the war, they lose.

Ron Paul is once of the worst choices. He does not believe in the inate right to privacy. As well Paul believed that the 9th Amendment gives the non-enumerated rights to the States rather than the People. Worst of all he does not believe in the incorporation of the Bill of Rights (meaning it doesn't apply to states).

Ron Paul is not a libertarian or even a modern Republican. At best he is an original Republican, the ones who ran against the Federalists prior to the formation of the (Andrew Jackson's) Democratic Party. Original Republicanism almost destroyed the United States.

Originally posted by ThirdRock69
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

 

i have yet to find anything as backwards as these, in Georgia and iv'e been there many times.

- NDAA
- Patriot act
- Drug war
- Warrantless spying
- SOPA/PIPA

It would be hard for me to argue with you there.

But what's your point?

I actually would be very interested in how this would all play out. As long as this stayed a legal battle. No one wants any kind of violence I hope. The problem is if people don't accept the courts decisions.

I would like to hear someone come up with some kind of hypothetical scenario. Suppose you say the drug war or pick a different item on that list.

OK so Georgia changes it's policy on the drug war. What does that mean? They want to de-criminalize it? What? The Feds move in to make arrests and what a State militia will try to protect it's citizens from being arrested? Those citizens now are not safe to leave the State lest they be arrested?

states would not just go rogue because they decide the fed is out of order, what i think they would do is collectively decide that the fed has over stepped their bounds and unite on common ground. we are all Americans we are the people and it is us that must clean up this mess, because our feds will not give up their power without a struggle.

the fed has the power states give them, when enough states decide the fed has gotten out of line then collectively they must decide on how to set things back on course with our constitution and bill of rights.

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

states would not just go rogue because they decide the fed is out of order, what i think they would do is collectively decide that the fed has over stepped their bounds and unite on common ground. we are all Americans we are the people and it is us that must clean up this mess, because our feds will not give up their power without a struggle.

the fed has the power states give them, when enough states decide the fed has gotten out of line then collectively they must decide on how to set things back on course with our constitution and bill of rights.

no argument from me there. I agree with you. But the OP sounds a bit too gung ho there though and another post mentioned they would like to see this loosen their ability to get a silencer/suppressor for their gun? What was that about... LOL

Originally posted by ThirdRock69
reply to post by LittleBlackEagle

 

states would not just go rogue because they decide the fed is out of order, what i think they would do is collectively decide that the fed has over stepped their bounds and unite on common ground. we are all Americans we are the people and it is us that must clean up this mess, because our feds will not give up their power without a struggle.

the fed has the power states give them, when enough states decide the fed has gotten out of line then collectively they must decide on how to set things back on course with our constitution and bill of rights.

no argument from me there. I agree with you. But the OP sounds a bit too gung ho there though and another post mentioned they would like to see this loosen their ability to get a silencer/suppressor for their gun? What was that about... LOL

well you know, to each his own. everyone has freedoms they would like to see again. not freedoms that would harm others which i think suppressor's would not, just a new toy to take to the range. i'm fairly certain there are many people with them now and we don't see a spree of killing from suppressor equipped guns.

I was actually going to comment on the topic, but this thread had done nothing but turn in to a troll bashing session again the "south?" So I am going to just stay out of it since some can not stay on the topic.

well you know, to each his own. everyone has freedoms they would like to see again. not freedoms that would harm others which i think suppressor's would not, just a new toy to take to the range. i'm fairly certain there are many people with them now and we don't see a spree of killing from suppressor equipped guns.

It's just some peoples priorities I find......disturbing......amusing...... ...I don't know

This battle hopefully isn't about getting toys for the range ...is it?

I mean really, what is the goal here in your opinion?

Let try to go down the list

- NDAA

Explain the issues you have with this? Why would the Feds declare martial law ? Do you see a scenario where it might be necessary or not? Like in the event of natural disasters. Rioting and looting.

- Patriot act

I would love to see this repealed Nation wide
- Drug war

Georgia isn't going to go lighter on drug dealers so I don't even know what this one means.


- Warrantless spying
No examples I know of, we all know it happens anyway. This does worry many people, why? I don't like the idea of people being arrested and detained with out due process though.

- SOPA/PIPA ( not applicable these did not pass )

Originally posted by ThirdRock69

well you know, to each his own. everyone has freedoms they would like to see again. not freedoms that would harm others which i think suppressor's would not, just a new toy to take to the range. i'm fairly certain there are many people with them now and we don't see a spree of killing from suppressor equipped guns.

It's just some peoples priorities I find......disturbing......amusing...... ...I don't know

This battle hopefully isn't about getting toys for the range ...is it?

I mean really, what is the goal here in your opinion?

Let try to go down the list

- NDAA

Explain the issues you have with this? Why would the Feds declare martial law ? Do you see a scenario where it might be necessary or not? Like in the event of natural disasters. Rioting and looting.

NDAA opens the door to allow US citizens to be locked up or worse, without due process whether they say they will use it or not, it's in the bill and is against the very framework of our judicial system. nothing but chaos can come from circumventing the constitution and bill of rights.

- Patriot act

I would love to see this repealed Nation wide
- Drug war

Georgia isn't going to go lighter on drug dealers so I don't even know what this one means.


- Warrantless spying
No examples I know of, we all know it happens anyway. This does worry many people, why? I don't like the idea of people being arrested and detained with out due process though.

- SOPA/PIPA ( not applicable these did not pass )

well the goal is the laws and oppression of US citizens via short circuiting the bill of rights and Constitution, this needs to be addressed first and foremost. what these things mean to individuals isn't the goal. you may want to freely expect privacy in your own home to walk around naked, i may want privacy in my own home to peacefully pray to the robot god ohmanohman, without my neighbors or police spying on me without just cause. doesn't matter what peaceful reason you and i should expect privacy in our own homes, it's the fact that we should have it.

you see we all agree to live by the constitution and bill of rights, that's what gives us the ability to coexist in our country. once one side tries to circumvent this agreement there can be no way of continuing our agreement and chaos will ensue.

Originally posted by ThirdRock69
Sounds to me like another civil war is a brewing.

This doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

I would agree with you if we base this on face value alone.

The thing is, the federal government is not capable of running this country anymore. They have blown it. So, if there is any chance to maintain order and law, states will have to step up and take charge. The states need to pick up the ball where the feds have dropped it. I think what we are seeing here slowly but surely things working to the favor of the citizens. We are seeing one state at a time beginning to push back and resist the feds and their draconian ways. Our government is broken, and the states are doing what they can to save it. They might be going about it in a unorthodox manner but sometimes flat out disobedience is the only way to get the authorities attention. If we end up in another civil war, it will not be due to the states, but due to the feds.

Its a proposal that will never pass, the state has too much to loose in the way of returned tax dollars, to ever gamble on passing such a law.

Originally posted by diatribe
Its a proposal that will never pass, the state has too much to loose in the way of returned tax dollars, to ever gamble on passing such a law.

That is part of the problem that got us in the mess as it is. The states have taken money from the federal government for too long and now people are accustomed to it. It is a good thing when the feds stop giving money to the states, there are always nefarious strings attached to the deal. A properly run state does not need subsidies from the government. The money that federal government has, is in effect the states money any way.