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I see several people asked this, so I am going to answer it.
Originally posted by AmericanPitBull
Last Q for those who think this is A-OK. How would you feel if it was the cop at your window at a traffic stop? Big SS logo tall leather boots( motorcycle cop) and sidearm? I mean it does stand for "street squad" right? How about cops in full gear? you know armor, face shields, automatic weapons, I guess if they are "suburban SWAT" it is a good idea then?
Things are always what they are, but each person interprets them all in their own way.
Some times things are what they are, no matter what we excuse it with,eh?
Originally posted by tagasbob
Here's a tangent: do you think it's impossible that nazi ideology could still exist? Why would you even choose to associate yourself with a symbol like this if you were on the allied side of things? The fact that this was adopted in Vietnam is even more cowardly as the war was only a few decades prior.
Why do you people act as if signing up to the military is an auto-pass for being the best person ever??? Ever think that symbols like this might exist to attract a certain type of person? symbols are not meaningless; especially in the military.
Finally, why woudn't the military spokeswoman say any of this stuff? Why did she go up and say "these pictures couldn't have been done with awareness of what the flag meant because that's not what the navy is all about"? Why not tell the truth - if that's what it is? The only thing I can ascertain is that the very existence of the real Scout Sniper flag is a complete embarrassment. I'm all for free will, but at some point there needs to be respect as well.
Finally, does a bunch of yahoos using nazi paraphenalia back in Vietnam make it okay just because that's what happened? What about the millions of those that died? Why is there no respect for the sacrifice of those people?
I have an idea… How about people stop being so sensitive about things that go on inside the Marine Corps that don’t pertain to them, that they don’t understand and that have absolutely no bearing on their life??
Originally posted by seabag
Originally posted by tagasbob
Here's a tangent: do you think it's impossible that nazi ideology could still exist? Why would you even choose to associate yourself with a symbol like this if you were on the allied side of things? The fact that this was adopted in Vietnam is even more cowardly as the war was only a few decades prior.
Why do you people act as if signing up to the military is an auto-pass for being the best person ever??? Ever think that symbols like this might exist to attract a certain type of person? symbols are not meaningless; especially in the military.
Finally, why woudn't the military spokeswoman say any of this stuff? Why did she go up and say "these pictures couldn't have been done with awareness of what the flag meant because that's not what the navy is all about"? Why not tell the truth - if that's what it is? The only thing I can ascertain is that the very existence of the real Scout Sniper flag is a complete embarrassment. I'm all for free will, but at some point there needs to be respect as well.
Finally, does a bunch of yahoos using nazi paraphenalia back in Vietnam make it okay just because that's what happened? What about the millions of those that died? Why is there no respect for the sacrifice of those people?
This isn’t used to attract Nazi-sympathizers or a “certain type of person”. Saying that shows your level of disrespect for military service. Do you feel better about yourself now?
As 29INFDIV and others have explained, the SS denotes Scout Sniper and is in NO WAY representative of Nazis. The use of SS is an old practice that is like a rite of passage for snipers.
The Marine Corps is steeped in tradition, many of which are not exactly common knowledge…or even acceptable outside the Marine Corps. All military units, especially Marines, practice some hazing rituals. Marines submit to these hazing rituals voluntarily because its Marine Corps tradition and we’re proud to be part of it. The brass (people in charge) certainly can’t openly condone such activities because of the outrage of people like some of you. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t well aware of these practices or haven’t participated in MANY of them.
Why does it BOTHER YOU? It’s been going on since before most of you were born and you obviously haven’t been affected by it or it wouldn’t be “breaking news” right now!
I have an idea… How about people stop being so sensitive about things that go on inside the Marine Corps that don’t pertain to them, that they don’t understand and that have absolutely no bearing on their life??
Originally posted by AmericanPitBull
Originally posted by seabag
Originally posted by tagasbob
Here's a tangent: do you think it's impossible that nazi ideology could still exist? Why would you even choose to associate yourself with a symbol like this if you were on the allied side of things? The fact that this was adopted in Vietnam is even more cowardly as the war was only a few decades prior.
Why do you people act as if signing up to the military is an auto-pass for being the best person ever??? Ever think that symbols like this might exist to attract a certain type of person? symbols are not meaningless; especially in the military.
Finally, why woudn't the military spokeswoman say any of this stuff? Why did she go up and say "these pictures couldn't have been done with awareness of what the flag meant because that's not what the navy is all about"? Why not tell the truth - if that's what it is? The only thing I can ascertain is that the very existence of the real Scout Sniper flag is a complete embarrassment. I'm all for free will, but at some point there needs to be respect as well.
Finally, does a bunch of yahoos using nazi paraphenalia back in Vietnam make it okay just because that's what happened? What about the millions of those that died? Why is there no respect for the sacrifice of those people?
This isn’t used to attract Nazi-sympathizers or a “certain type of person”. Saying that shows your level of disrespect for military service. Do you feel better about yourself now?
As 29INFDIV and others have explained, the SS denotes Scout Sniper and is in NO WAY representative of Nazis. The use of SS is an old practice that is like a rite of passage for snipers.
The Marine Corps is steeped in tradition, many of which are not exactly common knowledge…or even acceptable outside the Marine Corps. All military units, especially Marines, practice some hazing rituals. Marines submit to these hazing rituals voluntarily because its Marine Corps tradition and we’re proud to be part of it. The brass (people in charge) certainly can’t openly condone such activities because of the outrage of people like some of you. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t well aware of these practices or haven’t participated in MANY of them.
Why does it BOTHER YOU? It’s been going on since before most of you were born and you obviously haven’t been affected by it or it wouldn’t be “breaking news” right now!
I have an idea… How about people stop being so sensitive about things that go on inside the Marine Corps that don’t pertain to them, that they don’t understand and that have absolutely no bearing on their life??
I get the "OORAH!" it is needed to go and face death as is the brotherhood and bonding like hazing. To a point. When it makes you, my fellow American, feel separate, superior, and disdainful of those you represent in the field, it becomes every American's business because you work and fight for US and AMERICA so taking up a banned symbol is showing the disrespect for the Corps and the country you serve. It is the symbol of one of this nations greatest enemies, despite whatever "personal" interpretation one may wish to adopt. So I guess it boils down to how dare you tell those you serve and represent in battle as the "Greatest Nation" on earth we have no say in how we ALL are represented by those who kill in our name. How dare you take up the symbol of one of our greatest enemies and carry it into battle in OUR name.
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I get the "OORAH!" it is needed to go and face death as is the brotherhood and bonding like hazing. To a point. When it makes you, my fellow American, feel separate, superior, and disdainful of those you represent in the field, it becomes every American's business because you work and fight for US and AMERICA so taking up a banned symbol is showing the disrespect for the Corps and the country you serve.
It is the symbol of one of this nations greatest enemies, despite whatever "personal" interpretation one may wish to adopt.
So I guess it boils down to how dare you tell those you serve and represent in battle as the "Greatest Nation" on earth we have no say in how we ALL are represented by those who kill in our name. How dare you take up the symbol of one of our greatest enemies and carry it into battle in OUR name.
The only atrocity here is the overreaction.
Seen any kids gunned down by choppers lately?
Originally posted by kn0wh0w
reply to post by theRhenn
Here is my take on it.. As someone said... SS/Sniper Scout Doesnt matter what it looks like. NOW... If they were IN ISRAEL I could see that being an issue.
please take a look at my new thread and tell me what you think.
SS is not synonymous with scout sniper.
read the article unbiased and tell me what you think.
Wimpy civilians? There are many in the military who disdain such bullying practices. You going to call them wimps too?
Or do you just believe only a uniform can bring you honor?
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by AmericanPitBull
Hazing is also “banned by the Marine Corps” but that doesn’t stop us from carrying on with 236 years of tradition. Just because some wimpy civilians feel some of the things we do are barbaric (such as pinning on jump wings or kicking on a blood stripe) doesn’t mean they won’t continue.
I don’t believe the Marine Corps has ever taken a public opinion poll before instituting a new tradition.
Maybe pansies shouldn’t bother themselves with the practices of men or misinterpret symbols when they do not understand the meaning?
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by antonia
Listen, my point is this…there are traditions in the Marines that some people wouldn’t condone; even the Marine Corps leadership doesn’t condone. That doesn’t stop it from happening because Marines, in particular, LIKE to carry on these traditions. Things like this are part of the legacy (esprit de corps, brotherhood, rite of passage, etc). Some of these things might be "extreme" to those who have not lived it, but I would argue that being a MARINE is extreme and many things Marines do are extreme.
If it were about the affairs of MEN it would not include attitudes you show. Men are above boys club games.Gotta laugh you actually believe "No one understands me" is a valid argument after your teens.
As for the name calling.... grow up. If you don't get when you wear "the uniform" you rep something bigger than the Corps or all the services then you are a disgrace to it.
Used to be Death before Dishonor. Eff that anymore!
Now keep with the ASSumptions about me as they really make ya'll look like fools.