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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
reply to post by Glass
Okay. So it's understood that we're on opposite sides of this fence then. That's okay. You have your opinion, I have mine. I understand the jist of your thinking here. You want to study and understand why they do what they do.
Why? So we can treat them and make them better? Haven't we been trying to do that for hundreds of years now? Yes. Do we still have psycho's running loose? Yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Our psychological methods are so much better now. We've advanced our technologies and our understanding of DNA sequences and brain functions, so we can tackle this problem now. If that's the case, again, why do we still have psycho's running the streets?
My best guess would be money my friend. You're right if you assume that we have the technologies and resources to tackle this. I'm sure we do. But the cold, hard fact of the matter is that there's no money in "fixing" these people in order to make a better society. Why would any pharma company, or any other company for that matter, shell out money to fix people when they won't get a return from their investment? If that sounds cold, it's because it is. There's no immediate short term monetary gain in making a better society, but there IS howver tons of money by shoving drugs like prozzzzac down our throats making us want more. And that's the way THEY see it. I certainly didn't make things this way, but that's the way things are and that's what we have to deal with. Big money is making their money at our expense and making our qualities of life worse in the process.
Look, I'm not some chest thumping neanderthal screaming for more blood. I want LESS blood. Read my posts and you'll understand that I'm a civilized, caring individual who just wants peace.
But unfortunately we're not going to be able to do achieve that in a civilized manner anymore because that's just the way this world has turned. Money is king and human emotions are just pawns that big money plays to get more. It's chess game gone bad. And you know what? It's working for them. because here we are, at each others throats about this when there is only one realistic solution to this problem. Exterminate the problem.
And Nazi Germany isn't even a close comparison in my book because they were no better than the 15 year old girl in this story. They were killing for the sake of it. Or because they wanted to "rule the world". I don't want to rule the world. I want to make it a better place to live on.
And please don't say that things like this take time. We've had all the time in the world to fix this problem ever since we could start recoognizing evil people for what they are.
Well I know my anger is not politically cool But, brother we're in danger when kids can be so cruel as to kill for play, Dear God have mercy we're liven just like theres no judgment day
Originally posted by Glass
reply to post by andersensrm
Doesn't sound like that good of an idea. Tracking devices can be expensive and nobody profits from exile. Not to mention that three strikes is still potentially three dead people so this wouldn't solve anything.
Originally posted by lokdog
reply to post by silo13
I've looked into this case a little bit more since that post and i believe her own accounting of the event and her feelings afterwards that she expresses in her diary are pretty damning. This girl seems to have put in alot of premeditation into commiting this crime. To me that helps rule out the Prozac defense, like i said it can make you mean but Prozac can't answer for the premeditation in my opinion.
the answer to the question asked in Horizon – Are You Good Or Evil? A bunch of babies at Yale University was given a sort of morality test. It involved watching a puppet show and then picking out either the good cuddly toy who gave the ball back or the bad cuddly toy who ran away with the ball. Seventy per cent of the babies went with the good guy, suggesting that we're born with some kind of moral instinct. That's nice.
Whoa though, 70% leaves a lot behind. Does that mean We Need To Talk About The Other 30%? Is this little fella who went with the bad cuddly toy a psychopath, a little Kevin? Probably not. Some of the babies just got distracted or fell asleep, then just picked out whichever cuddly toy they fancied. But 70% is enough to suggest that we do at least start off with an inclination towards empathy and kindness.
That moral instinct can be suppressed though, through mistreatment or abuse. Or through training. A US marine can be taught to hate, and to kill, against his nature. But this is not psychologically healthy, he may continue to hate and to kill, even after the war is over. So these days he is taught differently; morality is part of the story, he is told he is an ethical warrior, killing in order to protect and defend
A California neuroscientist called Jim Fallon found he could identify killers just from their brain scans – they had the same abnormalities, had a signature brain profile; it seemed there was a biological basis for the urge to kill. And a genetic one. It emerged that being born with just one variant of one gene could predispose you to violent behaviour. The hallmark of evil could be traced back to people's brains, and genes.
The answer is that whether genes are triggered or not depends on what happens in your childhood. The genetic variant alone doesn't mean you're going to be a violent killer, but if you add childhood abuse to the mix, then the chances are a lot higher. Fortunately for Jim, and for his family, he had a delightful childhood, which had offset the potential for violence. For now ...
We're surrounded by psychopaths, people who would be killers if their circumstances had been different or their childhoods less happy. The scientists call these people "successful psychopaths". They can be charming, charismatic, outgoing, they have a wide repertoire of behaviour. They are manipulative too, they know what you're thinking but not how you feel – so they're not hampered by feeling your pain. They'll walk all over you to get what they want, because they don't care what it does to you. Typically they do well, you'll find them in the boardroom, but it could have so easily been behind bars; the line between Freds The Shred and West is a thin one.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
We have many 18 year olds who feel this same way as this 15 year old girl.They enjoy killing.
They won't get a trail though. They are called Soldiers. They are like trained dogs, they even kill on command. Now if you ask me, that's way more scary.
That is total B.S. on so many levels.
Thirdly, the very few that do actually enjoy killing, are a little sick and twisted, but at least they have put their twistedness to a good cause in killing our enemies and eliminating threats to our safety. It is not in the slightest bit comparable to slowly and methodically murdering an innocent child and experimenting on the corpse just for curiousity's sake. Not comparable in the slightest way.
But, of course, if I had such a misguided view of the military, and if I said the same bone-headed things as you, then perhaps I would fear them as well, and with good reason!