The secrets hidden in the pyramids. A real eye opener!

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You are asking a question that has an answer. Sure, it's theory. Now it doesn't contradict, and I fail to see ant stumbling. But gravity is a theory also, as well as evolution, and many other facts. We simply know.

The evidence says no aliens, no advanced electricity, no anti gravity. The evidence says mankind built it.


That's why I'm negative to your views. They fly in the face of common sense.

You are literally saying, "I do not know, therefore miracle/god/aliens/impossible imagination... etc etc.




It comes down to this. Nothing says that they couldn't have been done by hand with simple tools. So why doubt this?

Originally posted by Gorman91
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The evidence says no aliens, no advanced electricity, no anti gravity. The evidence says mankind built it.

Electrogravitics does exist.. there has been a once classified document from the US government discovered that showed that nearly every major aircraft company was working on it in the 50s. TTBrown and Viktor Schauberger also documented this as well. Their work was done without the other knowing it and confirmed each others work. It just so happens that the Egyptians and Ed Leeskalnin's work indicated they used electrogravitics as well.

The entire great pyramid was built like a huge electrical capacitor.... and that is how you make an electrogravitic device. I am convinced the great pyramid was a particle accelerator.. and it was used for transmuting elements.. and'or processing uranium.

www.nuclearpyramid.com...

Still people arguing in this thread? Why don't you guys come together and find as many facts about the pyramids as you can then start drawing conclusions on those facts. Maybe combine all facts into one mega post...

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
How can you possibly make this claim when so little of the pyramid has been explored?

Pics from a small interior chamber at a corner "notch" opening:

Originally posted by 8311-XHTAlso.. the stability and the precision of the over all structure certainly doesn't support your claim of a loose structure.

The pics are out there showing the gaps between and the filler used.
This is not a claim, it is a statement of fact.
"Precision?"
Look:


Also:

A Short Survey on the Interior of Khufu's Great Pyramid

While the SRI team did not further investigate the superstructure of Khafre's Pyramid, believing that such would be redundant after the Joint Pyramid Project, they did spend a single night using the acoustic soundings to survey a limited area of the Great Pyramid of Khufu. They took two sets of data, one from the King's Chamber and another from the antechamber leading to it. Even here, there were problems due to the blocks making up the pyramids core returning multiple waves back to the receiving equipment, therefore causing "clutter". Nevertheless, the survey did appear to reveal an anomalous echo 7.25 meters beneath the floor, about halfway between the King's and Queen's Chambers. The report prepared by the SRI team suggested the echo could represent a possible void near the point where the original pyramid plan was thought to be altered. Hence, it might simply be a space left during the change in plan, or even a large crack More recent investigations of the pyramid also show that the core of the pyramid is less solid than once thought, with areas filled with rubble or sand, that might have also affected these earlier investigations.

Tour Egypt

And:

Most Egyptologists no longer believe that many slaves were used, and it is probable that much of the most difficult work of hauling the large blocks up ramps was probably performed using beasts of labor such as oxen. Experiments have also demonstrated that it probably took less time to build them then we originally thought. One reason is that there were probably not as many solid blocks used as we once believed. Rubble and sand were instead used to fill pockets surrounded by solid stone, in many instances.

Tour Egypt
And:

For example, one may find in many books that Khufu's Pyramid, greatest of all in Egypt, contains an estimated 2.3 million blocks of stone weighing on average about 2.5 tons. In the past, both professional and amateur theorists assume that the pyramids are composed of generic blocks of this weight. Next, they set about solving the problem of how the builders could have possibly raised and set so many huge blocks. But upon closer examination, few of these traditional assumptions are really valid. In fact, recent analysis has suggested that Khufu's Pyramid has far fewer large blocks than originally supposed, and those who maintain that the blocks are more or less uniformly 2.5 tons are simply wrong.
SNIP
At first glance, the sides of the Giza Pyramids, stripped of most of their smooth outer casing during the Middle Ages, look like regular steps. These are actually the courses of backing stones, so called because they once filled in the space between the pyramid core and outer casing. However, a closer examination reveals that the steps are not at all regular. In fact, rather than regular, modular, squared blocks of stone neatly stocked, there is considerable "slop factor", even in the Great Pyramid of Khufu.
Not only are the backing stones irregular, they are also progressively smaller toward the top. Behind the backing stones, the core stones are actually even more irregular. We know this because, in the 1830s, Howard Vyse blasted a hole in the center of the south side of Khufu's's Pyramid while looking for another entrance. This wound in the pyramid can still be seen today, and in it, we can see how the builders dumped great globs of mortar and stone rubble in wide spaces between the stones. Here, there are big blocks, small chunks of rock, wedge shaped pieces, oval and trapezoidal pieces, as well as smaller stone fragments jammed into spaces as as wide as 22 centimeters between larger blocks.

Also from Tour Egypt.
Lastly:

Still, the pyramid is not solid stone: either to increase its stability or reduce its cost, the interior of this pyramid contains irregular, sand-filled voids.

Source

Harte

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Sure it may exist.

No, the pyramids were not constructed with it.


Because there's no proof for it.

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
It just so happens that the Egyptians and Ed Leeskalnin's work indicated they used electrogravitics as well.

The Egyptians used muscle and lubricants.

As far as Leedskalnin and the Coral Castle, it's only electrogravitics if you call electromechanics electrogravitics.
Leedskalnin used an electric winch mounted on a wooden tripod he toted around in his pickup.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
It just so happens that the Egyptians and Ed Leeskalnin's work indicated they used electrogravitics as well.

The Egyptians used muscle and lubricants.

As far as Leedskalnin and the Coral Castle, it's only electrogravitics if you call electromechanics electrogravitics.
Leedskalnin used an electric winch mounted on a wooden tripod he toted around in his pickup.

Harte

So then why did he have pictures of him lifting stones with the winch but never let anyone watch him work? You've been hoodwinked... as they say..

The stones Ed moved had a high crystal content just like the stones in the pyramid of Gixa...

Read Paul laViolette's book on electrogravitics. The way electrogravitics are produced: by separating polarities of charges using High K dielectrics. Put quartz in a stone - dielectric - vibrate that quartz with radio waves and the quartz produces electricity in the stones separated by these dielectrics. This creates electrogravitics..

This is exactly how the Great Pyramid of Giza works.. the entire structure when vibrated produces electricity... flowing water in the bottom of the pyramid created a vacuum and sonic pulse throughout the pyramid. Hydrogen was produced in the Queen's chamber filling the upper portions such as the grand gallery. The sonic pulse created in the lower portion of the pyramid pumped protons(essentially cosmic rays) to the upper portion of the pyramid through the grand gallery. Protons were accelerated through the grand gallery aided by the magnetism created by the diamagnetic granite in the grand gallery. This went through the limestone and struck the quartz filled granite stacked above the King's chamber, producing the same electrogravitic field that Leedskalnin produced.. Wehn you create that electrogravitic field the enitre structure becomes superconducting..

Originally the three large Giza pyramids were said to have different colored casing stones on the outside. The small one was black.. the middle red.. and the largest white.

These are the three colors of transmutation in alchemy. These also happen to be the three colors uranium goes through when processed.. black rock.. to orange cake to white metal processed uranium..

It's no wonder no one tried to go into the pyramids for thousands of years... It's also no wonder why this was kept from the general population. This would give everyone antigravity and the means to process uranium very cheaply and easily..

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You are talking about a structure that is thousands of years old. The images you reference may be from portions that aren't original. Also realize that there is a reason the stones are different sizes.. watch a documentary called "Revelation of the Pyramids" and they explain this. It is even MORE difficult to make the structure so perfectly aligned and formed using this method. But it's also what makes it so stable and immune to earthquakes.

As for the other stuff you posted it is all speculation based on limited information.It's possible but it is nowhere near definitive.. considering the history of silly claims about the great pyramid I wouldn't accept what they say at all. I saw a show on how some stone workers tried to make a tiny little one story high pyramid and it was a disaster... just shows how the theories don't match reality.

Everyone always wants to know how they were built? It is rather simple how they built the pyramids actually. All they did was construct a wooden crane system on top of the pyramid as they built it going higher. The wooden crane had a focal point and on one side you have it tied to oxen that pull the massive blocks upwards. It is the same thing we do today with modern cranes. Instead of a machine doing the pulling through the pulleys you use oxen and to pull the ropes through the pulleys. They had wooden pulleys in those days as they have been found. Something like this site shows.

Pulleys used for pyramids

Here is a simple design on how you can accomplish this with simple technology to accomplish this feat.

Originally posted by Harte
FYI, there exists no consensus on the number of stones in the GP, and in fact it makes very little sense to even talk about it as if it were gemane to anything at all.

See, the core stones of the Great Pyramid are basically thrown together in a hodgepodge fashion and appear to mainly be uncut. Sizes vary for these normally unseen stones from football-sized up to around dining room table sized.

The estimates you've read about assume all stones are sized at about the average of the sizes we see on the exterior today (those stones were originally covered as well, by very fine white limestone from Tura - you can still see some of these on Khafre's pyramid next door.)

The calculated estimate you're using - 2-1/2 million stones, IIRC - makes that assumption and goes from there based entirely on the formula for the volume of a square pyramid (four equal sides.)

That's already bogus on it's face because we know there is a small hill inside there that the Great Pyramid was constructed around and on top of.

Between the hill, the huge variety in sizes observed in the inner core (where the structure has been blown open in the past with black powder,) and the large voids between the exterior and inner core that have been filled with sand, rubble and extra mortar (again, we can see this where it was blown open,) it makes very little sense to claim anything at all about how many stones per hour or whatnot had to have been laid in the pyramid.

Your "one stone every five minutes" is therefore a meaningless claim.

Harte

I was using the 2.3 million estimate that is used by most sources I've read about the great pyramid.

Ok, so let's pretend the Great pyramid only needed 1 million blocks. That would mean more than half the volume is occupied by empty space, this hill, or sand. I highly doubt that it true but I'm doing it to give you the benefit of the doubt, because it doesn't matter that much overall. With 1 million blocks, the construction would have needed just about 1 block every 10 minutes. That still defies logic when the limestone blocks take several hours to make, plus they were hauling granite from 400 miles away. It still doesn't make much sense. This is why I think advanced tools were used. How do you explain that rate of construction?

Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
Everyone always wants to know how they were built? It is rather simple how they built the pyramids actually. All they did was construct a wooden crane system on top of the pyramid as they built it going higher. The wooden crane had a focal point and on one side you have it tied to oxen that pull the massive blocks upwards. It is the same thing we do today with modern cranes. Instead of a machine doing the pulling through the pulleys you use oxen and to pull the ropes through the pulleys. They had wooden pulleys in those days as they have been found. Something like this site shows.

Pulleys used for pyramids

What kind of ropes did they use that could lift 40 ton blocks? That seems very dangerous. It's an interesting idea, although I'd think you'd need something a bit stronger than standard rope and wood to hoist some of the bigger blocks. I guess it's just another hypothesis based on stuff we haven't found. Hopefully one day we'll find it.

Originally posted by 8311-XHT

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by 8311-XHT
It just so happens that the Egyptians and Ed Leeskalnin's work indicated they used electrogravitics as well.

The Egyptians used muscle and lubricants.

As far as Leedskalnin and the Coral Castle, it's only electrogravitics if you call electromechanics electrogravitics.
Leedskalnin used an electric winch mounted on a wooden tripod he toted around in his pickup.

Harte

So then why did he have pictures of him lifting stones with the winch but never let anyone watch him work? You've been hoodwinked... as they say..

The stones Ed moved had a high crystal content just like the stones in the pyramid of Gixa..

Please enlighten us:
What is the "crystal content" of limestone? And Coral?

Originally posted by Barcs
I was using the 2.3 million estimate that is used by most sources I've read about the great pyramid.

Yes, I said 2.5 million but that's the estimate I was thinking of.
That estimate is over 100 years old, BTW.

Originally posted by Barcs
Ok, so let's pretend the Great pyramid only needed 1 million blocks. That would mean more than half the volume is occupied by empty space, this hill, or sand. I highly doubt that it true but I'm doing it to give you the benefit of the doubt, because it doesn't matter that much overall.

I think you missed the point. There may well be 5million stones in the pyramid. The vast majority of them are widely varied in size.

Originally posted by Barcs
With 1 million blocks, the construction would have needed just about 1 block every 10 minutes. That still defies logic when the limestone blocks take several hours to make, plus they were hauling granite from 400 miles away.

The Great Pyramid is constructed mainly (over 95% of it) of limestone taken from a quarry right there in front of the pyramid.

And your claim about a stone every 10 minutes would result in the pyramid being built in 45 years, given the current thinking on the workday of Ancient Egypt.

A prestigious Civil Engineering firm estimated the entire job could have been done in 15 years.

The firm was DMJM. An article about their findings appeared in Civil Engineering Magazine - title: "Project Management B.C."

It's not on the magazine's website anymore, but last time I looked for it, I found it in the Google Archives. It's a pdf.

Note, please, that half the volume in any pyramid is contained in the bottom one-third of the structure. With wide ramps on all four sides, it should be possible for crews to place not 1 stone every ten minutes, but 10 stones every one minute for at least the bottom third of the height of the pyramid.

Obviously, work placing stones would slow once the pyramid got taller. For one thing, at least a couple of ramps (possibly branching off one or two of the original wide ramps) would have to spiral around the structure, which would make ramp construction more difficult. But measurements show that as you go up the pyramid, the casing stones (the ones on the outside) get smaller and smaller. Plus, there would be far fewer stones that had to be placed per day once you got about halfway up. And the interior core stones indicate that not as much work went into them.

Harte

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You would be surprised how strong Hemp is and they used that material in the past. You can get ropes intertwined together to form a very strong rope, they have done it with ships for thousands of years. You would also have to understand physics(which the Egyptian engineers did). All you would have to do is calculate work force needed through the pulleys. Remember pulleys decrease work needed to lift objects, that's how we do it this way today. Now for the pulleys which have been found would only have needed oil(olive most likely) to provide the lubricant/ What I am telling you is, it's not that hard to do with a simple design. As far as they carving of limestone, limestone is very soft so it would have been easy for them to use the Nile river to soften it more. The masons did the carving.

This shows you how easy it is to carve limestone.

How to Sculpt Limestone

Originally posted by TWISTEDWORDS
Everyone always wants to know how they were built? It is rather simple how they built the pyramids actually. All they did was construct a wooden crane system on top of the pyramid as they built it going higher. The wooden crane had a focal point and on one side you have it tied to oxen that pull the massive blocks upwards. It is the same thing we do today with modern cranes. Instead of a machine doing the pulling through the pulleys you use oxen and to pull the ropes through the pulleys. They had wooden pulleys in those days as they have been found. Something like this site shows.

Pulleys used for pyramids

"The endless wheelbarrow" was more or less my method for moving a 200+ kilo concrete thingy that is used across the top of the window and door openings on the workshop I built a few years back.
I tied pieces of firewood on the sides to approximate a round form and with diffyculty I rolled it from the pallet to the wall.

If I could work it out I trust wholeheartedly that the Egyptians were smarter and therefore used a more perfected system. I only wish I had thought of (or read about) the "rocker" before sitting for hours on end thinking about how to move the darned thingies.

I hoisted it with pulleys and rope strung from an A-frame step ladder centered across the wall.

But now I have the design for moving the stuff they tend to deliver at the end of our rather steep driveway. Thanks Mr. Twistedwords.

My wife and I raised an 8 meter windmill mast weighing more than 250 kilos by using the base as pivotpoint and a crudely built A-frame combined with a 12 foot piece of timber to serve as "lifter" and anchor point when the A-frame was moved between steps.
Again - several hours of thinking and about an hour worth of work.
Best part of that was that we were told that we had to rent a crane to get tha mast up. My problem was that the crane couldn't get anywhere near my garden because we are wedged in between a crop field and a rail road.
But we did it ourselves and are damned proud of it.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by tigereye

 

You are asking a question that has an answer. Sure, it's theory. Now it doesn't contradict, and I fail to see ant stumbling. But gravity is a theory also, as well as evolution, and many other facts. We simply know.

The evidence says no aliens, no advanced electricity, no anti gravity. The evidence says mankind built it.


That's why I'm negative to your views. They fly in the face of common sense.

You are literally saying, "I do not know, therefore miracle/god/aliens/impossible imagination... etc etc.




It comes down to this. Nothing says that they couldn't have been done by hand with simple tools. So why doubt this?

edit on 19-2-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

I never said it aliens/gods/miracle or anything along those lines. Please show me where I said this? I am just stating an obvious notion that for example the water erosion makes no sense in the timeline they have given.

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Neither did I. Hence why I said etc etc.


And water erosion? Sure you don't mean wind erosion?

And what sort of proof do you have that it makes no sense. The coastal palaces of the Minoans still have their paint on them. Do not doubt the abilities of man's hand.

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www.springerimages.com...

The actual polishing of these surfaces was probably done with ordinary, quartz-rich sand of which Egypt abounds

www.eeescience.utoledo.edu...

The granite out of which this chamber is constructed is an igneous rock containing silicon quartz crystals. This particular granite, which was brought from the Aswan Quarries, contains 55% or more quartz crystal.

www.gizapyramid.com...

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Crystals bend photon paths. They don't do anything else really special.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Crystals bend photon paths. They don't do anything else really special.

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they convert mechanical force into electricity... they are peizo electric. that is all electrogravitics really are.. positive and negative charge separated by a dielectric. read Secrets of Antigravity
propulsion by paul laviolette... this is what the area above the kings chamber is doing...

check out this site... he shows how water was used to create mechanical force which vibrated the whole structure...

sentinelkennels.com...

The rarefaction wave creates an observable negative pressure wave in the wastegate line, resulting in cavitation in the subterranean chamber. Cavitation is the near instantaneous vaporization (gassing) of fluids combined with near instantaneous collapse of a majority of the gas back to liquid form. This violent action results in loud sounds and chipping or flaking of surface materials11. There is chipping on the ceiling that corresponds to cavitation damage