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West Coast USA: Pay Attention, Cascadia May Be Ready to Rupture

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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 10:40 PM
reply to post by Olivine

The other stations in the area are not showing the same energy as TIMB, so it must either be in the data transmission or a local source of noise.

posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 04:54 AM
I figure I'll throw this question in here since we have a few knowledgeable heads that poke in from time to time. I've been watching the # storm that is one of the numerous Mitchell Coombes fan groups on Facebook and I keep seeing mention of the earthquake magnitude scale being revamped recently. People keep saying that "they" have downgraded everything by one whole point, so what was a 4.0 is now reported as a 3.0. I call horse hockey. Nobody can give a reliable source for this change, just that "I saw it on some science website, it's true, but I can't find where I read it now, weird." Yet there's a few of these guys all backing each other up on it saying it's true. They're all posting every 2.0 in California as if it's a sure sign the predictions are coming true, and claiming the USGS is hiding and downgrading earthquakes so we don't realize that the end is near or some crap. To be honest I'm not sure how some of these people remember to breathe with all this doom and gloom they're spewing.

It's really been quite a laugh for me and I'm pretty sure these people are full of it, but I thought maybe I should ask somebody who would know for sure just in case I'm making a fool of myself.
Has there been any change to the scale recently?

posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:03 AM
reply to post by TMG333

The basic magnitude, the moment magnitude, has not changed since it was invented. There are many ways to calculate magnitude, especially for small events, but am not aware of any major shift recently.

posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 07:48 AM
reply to post by JohnVidale

That's what I thought, thanks for the response!

posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 08:10 AM

Originally posted by JohnVidale
reply to post by Olivine

If you were watching carefully, you might have seen us waffle about whether some quakes were tectonic or highwaymen or quarrymen blowing up stuff, and switched the labels back and forth.

I wasn't watching too carefully, until this morning, lol.

So the magnitude 2.2 located some 36km deep @ 18:53UTC on the 20th of August, is now Mag 1.0 at 0km depth?

Locating these small quakes must drive your group crazy.

I've been following the tremor (er, "ETS proper") discussion on your seismo blog...interesting. It looks like a topic with much more study and many more papers to come in the future.

posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 10:42 AM
reply to post by Olivine

Right, that event near Portland I analyzed too quickly just before lunch, and it turns out, while my initial guess could be right, it is much more likely to be an explosion considering the waveforms, the location, and the history in that area.

And we will continue to study tremor closely for at least a few years.

posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 07:09 AM
The Pacific Northwest has been quiet over the past few weeks, but a new tremor cluster has been growing since the final days of August.

Here is the map for yesterday; just over 34 hours and 630 epicenters.

And this is the map for the past 6 days, with over 150 hours of slow slip.

Source for both images is

I'm not certain that this is the beginning of the tremor episode for this year, which is anticipated to begin anytime during the late summer/fall timeframe. But I don't think this is the traditional location. The PNSN has a tremor blog set up for this years' event; I'm waiting for an update to be posted there.

On a related topic, the ETS spectrograms found here haven't been updated since August 20th.
Mr. Vidale, will they be coming back?

I don't think that the CSZ is "ready to rupture" today as this thread title suggests; rather this seems to be the thread that is most often used for posting seismic information for the PNW region.
Although, the scientists studying ETS/'slow slip' do suggest that these episodes can slightly raise the chances of a major rupture.

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posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 08:32 AM
The current slow slip episode is continuing under Vancouver Island; another 40.5 hours and 727 epicenters.
(the pic below reads higher numbers because of a small bit of tremor detected in northern California, which I cropped.)

Source link

I'm curious to get some input on the seismograms below from Glacier Peak. (3 different views of same events)

New-style webi GPW.EHZ.UW past 24 hours.
Old-style webi GPW.SHZ.UW September 6th, 00:00 to 12:00UTC
IRIS seismo day 250 (Sept 06) GPW.UW..EHZ

What do you make of the event at 01:21 UTC?

(click to enlarge)

I can't find a regional event or teleseism to tie it to. I've been trying to match the signal to one of these examples from Mt. Rainier:

The earthquake at 03:55UTC on the above links was a Mag 0.9 located about 15 km east of Glacier. It's hard to pick out because this volcano looks really noisy at the moment, especially compared to just a few days ago.

There are some oddball looking signals--are they just icequakes and avalanches?

(Just when I think I'm getting the hang of understanding these seismos, I'm handed a huge plate of humble pie)

The winds have been mild nearby. NWAC--Dirty Face Mtn weather

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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 10:36 AM
The tremor under Vancouver Island continues on with 4000+ epicenters over the past week. It seems to slowly be moving south, and possibly up-dip.

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This is the most recent update to the tremor blog found here.

Sep.1, 2012 - Probably nothing but a batch of tremor has been going on the past two days on southern Vancouver Island very close to the northern end of the normal every ~14 month ETS tremor patch. This bunch seems a bit up-dip (SW) from previous patches which is interesting but nothing more than that at this point.

posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 11:47 AM
Here is a quake near Molalla, OR that seems to be right near the zone in depth:


posted on Sep, 8 2012 @ 01:12 PM
reply to post by nonnez

It may be a bit shallow to be associated with the subduction zone interface, but a jolt reported by over 600 residents regardless. Hopefully it will act as a reminder to the population to have preparations in place.
Thanks for posting this quake.

Same fault, different subject.
The tremor in Canada continues.

(click to enlarge)
Map Source

The 2012 tremor blog has some interesting observations and predictions.

We have independent predictions that this tremor episode will stop within a day or two and NOT emigrate to the US from Canada.

Ken Creager from UW and Garry Rogers of PGC (tremor expert from north of the border) believe the current episode is very similar to 2010 and 2011 bursts, which seem to be following an every 15-month interval.

Read more at the blog link.

And another positive development is that the ETS diagnostic spectrograms are back, and have been upgraded to include stations on Vancouver Island. Thank you PNSN--I really enjoy following along at home.

posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 09:18 AM
Hmmm, this tremor episode hasn't stopped. This map from PNSN, shows the past 4 days (darkest red is yesterday).

(click to enlarge)

Looking at the spectrograms & real-time tremor map today, it hasn't stopped, but I don't see any big bursts of activity either.

posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 10:30 AM
reply to post by Olivine

I am following along Olivine. Thank you for keeping us informed.

posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:01 PM
reply to post by Doodle19815

Thanks Doodle. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 02:36 AM
Yes, thank you, Olivine. I have an idea that there are quite a few of us silent observers.

posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 03:18 PM
Ditto. Olivine, I also have been following your posts and appreciate all the work you put into displaying your information. One of these days I may have a question or comment.

posted on Sep, 13 2012 @ 06:01 PM
Thank you AuntB and NiteNGale2--I will continue with the updates until things quiet down.

Mt. Rainier had a little fit today. Five small quakes, the largest a Mag 2.4 located 2.7 km directly below the summit.

PNSN has switched the layout and look of the their seismograms. I'm still getting used to it. Here is the link for RCM Camp Muir station for today.
I'm hoping the noisy looking squiggles at the bottom are just wind, but I only see it on this station and Observation Rock (OBSR), which is farther down the mountain on the NW flank.

Edit to add: I see the "wind" signature on station FMW, too...odd that it doesn't show on the other high altitude stations (STAR & RCS).
Iris Station UW. FMW..EHZ

You can still access the old blue seismograms from, but I don't know for how much longer.

Yesterday shows over 40 hours of tremor, but a good bit of that was located in northern California.
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posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 07:15 AM
So much for this tremor episode stopping in a "day or two", as predicted by the pros.
The tremor and slow slip has bifurcated under Vancouver Island, with the southern half still inching its way toward the Olympic pennisula. If you check the real-time tremor page you can see this episode is continuing.

Map courtesy of PNSN

The tremor in northern California seems to persisting. I wonder if Oregon will join in?
Two earthquakes in norCal just a few minutes ago---Mag 4.5 23.7 km deep and Mag 3.2 25.4 km deep, both just SW of Rio Dell. (Mendocino Triple Junction vicinity)
Here is a link to a nearby seismogram CapeTown
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posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 04:21 PM
I too keep an eye on this thread daily, and the updates are greatly appreciated. Living in Vancouver, I keep wondering when the ground is going to start moving.

posted on Sep, 14 2012 @ 04:50 PM
Here is a Pacific Northwest mystery: where is the PNSN or USGS listing for the event that occurred at 20:25 UTC?
(1-1/2 hours ago)

Check out these 2 links:
ANF Cascadia snapshot(past 24 hrs)
(click to enlarge)
PNSN Spectrograms

I see an earthquake that registers from northern CA/Oregon border all the way to Olympic mountains. Please don't tell me it was another "explosion".
Meteor I might buy...

If this was a teleseism, surely it was big enough to meet the USGS Mag 4.5 minimum to rate a mention....
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Found it!
(well preliminarily)

LDEO Surface Wave detection page has a Mag 5.0 listed off the coast of Oregon at the right time.
When (if?) USGS lists this quake it will probably be a few tenths lower in magnitude. At least that is what I notice in most cases.

2012 9 14 20 24 24.0 44.25 -129.25 33.0 5.0 OFF COAST OF OREGON

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