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On 26 January 2012, the European Union and 22 Member States signed the treaty; the remaining members (Cyprus, Estonia, Germany, Netherlands and Slovakia) are expected to sign it on the completion of their respective domestic procedures. However, final enactment into law is on hold pending a debate in the European Parliament in June 2012. ACTA
Originally posted by flice
Originally posted by crayzeed
I do not think that this has been in the works for several decades. I think that this is inevitable as the sun rising. Look at the country you are in (it doesn't matter which country) when it was based on a rural economy you were probably self-sufficient. But the moment the country industrialised the path was trodden and impossible to reverse. A country to survive must export for the sole reason there is not enough people in a given country to sustain their economy and as the majority of the modern world does not manufacture all the goods needed for that country it has to import. No country can survive with the level of living that you have. Just take Cuba as an example. Isolated but its people are paying a terrible price for that isolation. Why are people so terrified of the EU or globalisation for that matter. Take any country or better yet all countries and look at their histories. They start off hunter gatherers and coaless in to small communities. The small communities were then absorbed into towns then cities. The cities into areas ie counties or cantons and the amalgamated into regions and then into countries. Every step of the way from family farms to village to town to city to country had their governing hierachy that was sub-sumed by the newer entity. There was certainly no shouting when the autonomous cities were sub-sumed by the kings or rulers to form country status and that was because the city people realised that their selling power had gone from city wide to nationwide. Now you have the same thing happening ie country being sub-sumed by a group of countries. Just a natural and inevitable progression of human development. The only thing I have to say is that there needs to be a more accountable procedures for the elected officials of the EU. To protect mine and your interests there needs to be a written constitution protected by law with a procedure for ousting governing members if proved of wrong doing. This constitution MUST be made with the input of the citizens, not written by the politicians, as is what is happening now.
Originally posted by LeBombDiggity
reply to post by mcdgray129
Why ? The Irish were great friends of the Nazis during WW2 ... why won't they be best friends with the German pan European dictatorship now ?
The policy of Irish neutrality during World War II was adopted by Dáil Éireann (the Parliament of Ireland) at the instigation of Éamon de Valera, its Taoiseach (Prime Minister) upon the outbreak of hostilities in Europe and maintained throughout the conflict. De Valera refrained from joining either the Allies or Axis powers. While the possibility of both a German or a British invasion were discussed in the Dáil, de Valera's ruling party, Fianna Fáil, supported his policy for the duration of the war. This period is known in Ireland as the Emergency, owing to the wording of the constitutional article employed to suspend normal government of the country. Pursuing a policy of neutrality required attaining a balance between the strict observance of non-alignment and the taking of practical steps in order to repel or discourage an invasion from either of the two concerned parties
Originally posted by TheUnusualSuspect
I think someone needs to do their home work.....lol
Irish support for Nazism
Irish neutrality was overwhelmingly supported by the population of Ireland,[3] although a minority favoured fighting against the Axis powers. Irish citizens could serve in the British armed forces, as around 38,554 in the British Army did, as well as in the Merchant Navy and in British factories. Likewise a minority of Irish Republicans sided with Germany, believing that a German victory might bring about a United Ireland. Moreover, in a war in which the United Kingdom was involved, neutrality was perceived as the clearest expression of Irish sovereignty, something the Taoiseach fervently sought. In response to claims that Ireland had failed to take up the moral fight against Nazism, the Secretary of the Department of External Affairs, Joe Walshe, answered in 1941 that:[4] “ … small nations like Ireland do not and cannot assume a role as defenders of just causes except [their] own … Existence of our own people comes before all other considerations … no government has the right to court certain destruction for its people; they have to take the only chance of survival and stay out. ”
Irish citizens were free to fill manpower shortages in Britain and join the British armed forces. "In January 1942 it was found that in the whole of the British Army 23,549 men were born in Ireland and 28,287 in Northern Ireland ... [I]n 1944 the Ireland figure had increased to 27,840 and that for Northern Ireland had reduced to 26,579."
Originally posted by TheUnusualSuspect
lol The Irish aren't neutral if thousands of them are getting involved.
Oh no, here we go....cue the usual British bashing.....
Originally posted by mcdgray129
Originally posted by TheUnusualSuspect
lol The Irish aren't neutral if thousands of them are getting involved.
Oh no, here we go....cue the usual British bashing.....
Thats the best comeback you can come up with??.
And no i wouldn't lower myself to you're form of Irish bashing (that you are trying to do but failing miserably),
As i have alot of respect for the British people. as i do of people of any nation.
And The Republic of Ireland's Government Remained neutral, but allowed its people to Join the British Army if they so wanted something that over 30K did.
So how does that go back to you're first point of Ireland supporting Nazis???.