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Was wondering Why (and How) UFO's are infinitely connected with Aliens? I have never seen any evidence to confirm this strange marriage. Wouldn't it be best to con-join UFO paraphernalia with "man-made" igenuity????
Originally posted by Semperly
reply to post by spinalremain
How are they not?? The first idea that is conceived in anyone's mind when one utter's "U.F.O." is a flying saucer comanded by a crew of extraterrestrials. I'm sure if you surveyed any 10 random people, at least 9.9 of them would agree.
He is being very realistic. He is no way being influenced by hope. You on the hand have nothing but hope. "Hope" that some day in the future(near or distant) humans will be advanced enough for space travel. "Hope" that prominent scientist (currently) are truly contemplating human space travel . You think they are cause you see them on networks hyping up the possibility or reading it on subjective magazines. Its all to steer you into one direction.
Originally posted by fleabit
Perhaps. From the time our species first developed our mental faculties, it took us about 200,000 years to travel 300 miles, from the surface of the Earth to low Earth orbit. Once into the realm of microgravity, it took us another 10 years to reach the Moon. So, realistically, from the time we evolved into Homo sapiens, it took us over 200,000 years to travel 250,000 miles.
Except you are not being realistic. If you want to use snarky math and say all the years we didn't have the ability or means to create space travel, by all means do. The reality is since the advent of flight, which is just over 100 years, we are planning trips to Mars, have been to the moon several times, have an active space station, and are contemplating life in other galaxies using huge radar arrays and massive telescopes. While you say it's "fantasy" to consider FTL or to travel across our galactic disk, it's actually studied by prominant scientists, universities and organizations. They don't think it's fantasy. But of course, I'm sure you know more than they do, since you "know your science," right? You should call NASA, ESA, and all other major research facilities, to let them know they are wasting time and money on something that is clearly impossible. You know this for a fact, right?
In a tiny span of time, we've made huge leaps of advancement. If you want to play Carl Sagan, and say because it's not been discoved how to travel great distances yet, then it's clearly impossible, feel free. To say that you know without a doubt that it is and will always be impossible really IS ignorant however. You can't possibly know that. It may be a shock to your ego, and if so, I apologize in advance, but you really don't know everything about what is and isn't possible with space travel, or what will be possible in the future. Fantasy as you call it, in regards to space travel, has often become reality in the past.
Are you an aeronautical engineer? I think not...
Originally posted by rickyrrr
reply to post by dilly1
The only instance where a UFO, to me, hints at the possibility of alien is when and if such a UFO exhibits performance characteristics that are not achievable by propulsion. any kind of propulsion. noiseless flight and high G turns, if possible, require technology that is not known.
The Propellant-less part of the description is simply not accepted by physics at the moment. So you either have aliens or you have a secret government with secret machines several decades ahead. Or maybe both.
With that said, some people who believe UFO's are of alien origin (alien meaning not earth, but origin could be another planet or another "dimension") base those beliefs on more information than you and I have at our disposal, and more than just sighting testimony.
I believe that I don't have all the information. Not having all the information, then who am I to say either way?
-rrr
Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by ZeskoWhirligan
Zesko ---- I think that you are barking up the wrong alley, on your assumption that -- near FTL speeds, FTL speed and FTL speeds are a "fantasy."
Radio Astronomers have just discovered a black hole in the center of some faraway galaxy. It has locked it's powerful magnetic field onto a wayward star; and has started to suck the fiery plasma from the doomed star. The "active" black hole has developed an acretion disc, that includes the spewing jet of light coming OUT, from both of the black holes magnetic poles; at very near the speed of light.
All you have to do is --- Send yourself on a probe to that black hole, vector it, to one of the spewing photon jet streams; and viola-----Your ship will have achieved a speed very near the speed of light. [Of course.... you will need a powerful magnetic shield, to protect your starship from getting torn apart.]
You just might be then hollering: "Gigadee, Gigadee, Gigadee --- Lets go racing boy's!!!"
Cheers,
Erno86edit on 18-1-2012 by Erno86 because: added a word
Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by dilly1
Was wondering Why (and How) UFO's are infinitely connected with Aliens? I have never seen any evidence to confirm this strange marriage. Wouldn't it be best to con-join UFO paraphernalia with "man-made" igenuity????
Mostly because if it was manmade ingenuity, then in the over half century of modern sightings, SOMEONE would have a commercial variant out by now.
So, if it wasn't made by us, or our enemies, then an off-world intelligence seems to be the only other answer.
Not to mention, CE3 and CE4 cases where an alien is either seen, or interacted with (or so the witnesses claim). So, no wonder the two are firmly linked.
Originally posted by spinalremain
Originally posted by Semperly
reply to post by spinalremain
How are they not?? The first idea that is conceived in anyone's mind when one utter's "U.F.O." is a flying saucer comanded by a crew of extraterrestrials. I'm sure if you surveyed any 10 random people, at least 9.9 of them would agree.
They would all be incorrect. Common jargin suggests that UFOs are alien craft, but that is not what the acronym stands for, nor is it accurate even, when 99 percent of UFOs are explained away as domestic or Earthly craft, birds or balloons.
Originally posted by dilly1
They think they have found a black hole.. THINK
Black holes are theoretical. Look it up..
You need to stop watching TV.
There's no real physical proof. Until we send a device close enough to confirm it,,it will be a theoretical.
Originally posted by Diablos
Originally posted by dilly1
They think they have found a black hole.. THINK
Black holes are theoretical. Look it up..
You need to stop watching TV.
You mean wormholes, right? Black holes are very real physical phenomena and many experiments conducted plus astronomical observations have proven them to be real.
Originally posted by dilly1There's no real physical proof. Until we send a device close enough to confirm it,,it will be a theoretical.
Originally posted by Diablos
Originally posted by dilly1There's no real physical proof. Until we send a device close enough to confirm it,,it will be a theoretical.
Are you serious? It is one thing to reject wormholes and antigravity as they have yet to be observed physically, but there is physical proof from telescope observations of the large gravitational fields of black holes and their affects on light, also they have been replicated on a microscopic scale in the laboratory and fit all of the characteristics of the theoretical model (the Schwarzchild solutions to Einstein's general relativity equations).
This isn't science fiction, but scientific established fact that has been backed up by countless experimentation. Only a very simple minded person who knows little about the scientific method would propose something as ridiculous as a device approaching a black hole to confirm its existence.
edit on 18-1-2012 by Diablos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dilly1Dude,go to google or bing and type: are black holes theoretical
Originally posted by dilly1There's your physical proof. This is old news
Originally posted by dilly1Worm holes are not theoretical . They definitely exist in the quantum level. There is nothing,not a resemblance of a black in the quantum level.
Originally posted by dilly1Characteristics of a model? What characteristics?
post by dilly1
There is nothing,not a resemblance of a black in the quantum level.
The evaporation of quantum black holes would leave very distinctive imprints on the detectors and spectrum of such black holes could be obtained. To study the quantum gravity effects on the black hole spectrum, one can take into account the generalized uncertainty principle. In this paper, employing the Bekenstein-Mukhanov approach, the spectrum of a quantum black hole is obtained.
scialert.net...
A quantum black hole can decays during interval of observer time Δl by a sequence of integers [n1, n2, ..., nj] of length j. During Δl, the black hole first jumped down to n1 elementary levels in one ago, then n2 level, etc. In this process, black hole emits a quantum of some species of energy , then a quantum of energy , etc. Each one of j quanta carries the energy . In average, during Δl, the mass of black hole decreases
scialert.net...
Its obvious you want to believe Nasa instead of being objective and searching for the truth correctly. I'm sorry but any device , I don't care how powerful it is, from our orbit cannot give definitive proof on black holes. I saw and read(your links) nothing that gives definitive proof.
Originally posted by Diablos
Originally posted by dilly1Dude,go to google or bing and type: are black holes theoretical
Scientific evidence of black holes:
From NASA:
NASA 1
NASA 2
Some of the many experiments performed proving the existence of blackholes.
Originally posted by dilly1There's your physical proof. This is old news
I'm sorry, but making wild outlandish claims that established scientific fact is unproven places the burden of proof on you to show why. I'm not going to do your searching for you. Have any experimental evidence or even theory that contradict the hundreds of experiments conducted that prove black holes are a real physical phenomena?
Originally posted by dilly1Worm holes are not theoretical . They definitely exist in the quantum level. There is nothing,not a resemblance of a black in the quantum level.
Are you joking? I don't think anyone should take you seriously after saying this. The requirements for any wormhole is "negative matter" or "exotic matter", something that has not been observed in the known universe and many physicists subscribe to the belief that it does not even exist. If it does, it is most likely in the recesses of deep space away from celestial bodies with mass and thus exert a gravity, as gravity has the opposite affect on it. That is assuming in the extreme likelihood that such matter can even exist.
Originally posted by dilly1Characteristics of a model? What characteristics?
For someone as bold to claim that black holes are only theoretical, you don't even understand the theoretical model of a black hole (Schwarzchild's solution to Einstein's general relativity equations of a point-like star)? I don't either nor am I an expert, but I don't make such wild claims as if I understand the theory better than the top experts in the world.
Originally posted by Erno86
Zesko ---- I think that you are barking up the wrong alley, on your assumption that -- near FTL speeds, FTL speed and FTL speeds are a "fantasy."
Radio Astronomers have just discovered a black hole in the center of some faraway galaxy....et cetera