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Originally posted by arollingstone
Once a bigot, always a bigot?
So that is the depths your argument has descended to? Name calling...
From Wikipedia:
"A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religious beliefs or spirituality, nationality, language, inter-regional prejudice, gender and/or sexual orientation, age, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views."
Look, most Muslims just want a quiet life.
Islamic extremists who murder black christains in Nigeria clearly do not.
By the way, no one believes that Jihad doesn't refer to violent war against non-Muslims (certainly not Muhammad who personally took part in 28 jihads).
Originally posted by arollingstone
Maybe you don't believe that (Jihad means inner struggle and not violence) but Muslims do and that's what actually matters.
MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training.
The Independent
Originally posted by arollingstone
Once a bigot, always a bigot?
"Christians Blown Apart In Nigeria By God Fearing Islamists"
If you mean I oppose Muslims murdering people in Nigeria, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose the murder of people who insult Islam, then I am a bigot.
If you mean that I oppose the death penalty for anyone leaving Islam, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose the stoning of women accused of adultery, then I am a bigot.
If you mean that I favour equal rights for men and women, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose lashing people who have sex outside of marriage, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose discrimination against homosexuals, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose child marriage (as carried out by Muhammad, blessed be his name), then I am a bigot.
If you mean I support the freedom of expression and the press, then I am a bigot.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by arollingstone
Once a bigot, always a bigot?
If you mean I oppose Muslims murdering people in Nigeria, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose the murder of people who insult Islam, then I am a bigot.
If you mean that I oppose the death penalty for anyone leaving Islam, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose the stoning of women accused of adultery, then I am a bigot.
If you mean that I favour equal rights for men and women, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose lashing people who have sex outside of marriage, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose discrimination against homosexuals, then I am a bigot.
If you mean I oppose child marriage (as carried out by Muhammad, blessed be his name), then I am a bigot.
If you mean I support the freedom of expression and the press, then I am a bigot.
edit on 2-1-2012 by ollncasino because: fix error
Originally posted by arollingstone
Even if that is true, which I highly doubt - that's 4000 out of around 3 million people.
Originally posted by arollingstone
Hence, that suggests my point that those guys are minority fundamentalists. They don't all join Al-Qaeda, some converts just get carried away and want to see what its all about. They usually get put off and return back to society.
Originally posted by arollingstone
You are unwilling to see things any other way, despite being confronted with the facts. This is bigotry in its pure form and no offence, but I don't have any more time to waste on you man. If you were willing to actually learn, maybe I'd stick around - but you're not. So I won't. Have fun.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by ollncasino
Let them believe what they want to believe.
Who are you to tell them anything about what they believe?
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by ollncasino
Let them believe what they want to believe.
Who are you to tell them anything about what they believe?
You replied to a thread that is effectively dead within 5 minutes (literally) of me posting a reply to another poster?
Very fishy.
The last reply on this thread was made 3 days ago, yet you reply to my post to someone else within 5 minutes.
Who are you?
A better question would be, what are you?
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Let them believe what they want to believe.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Who are you to tell them anything about what they believe?
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.
But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world….
Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.
Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says, kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!
...Whatever good there is, exists thanks to the sword, and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient, except with the sword!
The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors!
...Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war?
I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
—Ayatollah Khomeini (1902-1989) Iran’s Supreme Leader from 1979 to 1989—the highest ranking political and religious authority of the nation.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
What you think I am an Ai?
No I just don't want more scam wars thats all.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
What you think I am an Ai?
No I just don't want more scam wars thats all.
No, on reflection, you are almost certainly just someone that spends a lot of time on ATS.
By the way, certainly in the UK, the Imams are much more extreme than the conregation. They ship in foreign Muslims Imams in preference to British ones. They tend to be a bit less progressive shall we say.
Having said that, if you look at the Youtube video above, those are British Imams, so perhaps to find extreme preachers, the Mosques don't have to look too far a field.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
So what do you propose? Deportation?