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Christians Blown Apart In Nigeria By God Fearing Islamists

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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by arollingstone
Once a bigot, always a bigot?


So that is the depths your argument has descended to? Name calling...

Look, most Muslims just want a quiet life.

Islamic extremists who murder black christains in Nigeria clearly do not.

By the way, no one believes that Jihad doesn't refer to violent war against non-Muslims (certainly not Muhammad who personally took part in 28 jihads).


Muhammad personally took part in 28 Jihads

97% of Jihad passages in the Koran are references to Violent Jihad

31% of Islamic Trilogy devoted to Violent Jihad

11th century Lesser vs Greater Jihad Fabrication

Lying & Deception in Islam




posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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So that is the depths your argument has descended to? Name calling...

I take it you didn't see what I did there then? It wasn't actually part of my argument, it was the icing on the cake.

Well I don't usually reduce myself to name calling - but I felt the manner you presented yourself in was fairly consistent with this description:



From Wikipedia:

"A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religious beliefs or spirituality, nationality, language, inter-regional prejudice, gender and/or sexual orientation, age, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views."



Look, most Muslims just want a quiet life.

Islamic extremists who murder black christains in Nigeria clearly do not.

Very good troll skills. That is not what you implied earlier. Moreover,


By the way, no one believes that Jihad doesn't refer to violent war against non-Muslims (certainly not Muhammad who personally took part in 28 jihads).

this statement completely contradicts what you've just said in the previous line.

It also, once again, shows a level of bigotry. Maybe you don't believe that but Muslims do and that's what actually matters.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Apparently there needs to be a sarcasm font....

I agree 100%



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by arollingstone

Maybe you don't believe that (Jihad means inner struggle and not violence) but Muslims do and that's what actually matters.


If Muslims don't believe that Jihad means violent war against non-Muslims, can you please explain to me why 4,000 British Muslims have been trained by the Taliban?


MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training.

The Independent


Isn't that what the Taliban do, Jihad?

Did those 4,000 British Muslims just get lost on vacation in Pakistan?





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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by arollingstone
Once a bigot, always a bigot?


If you mean I oppose Muslims murdering people in Nigeria, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose the murder of people who insult Islam, then I am a bigot.

If you mean that I oppose the death penalty for anyone leaving Islam, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose the stoning of women accused of adultery, then I am a bigot.

If you mean that I favour equal rights for men and women, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose lashing people who have sex outside of marriage, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose discrimination against homosexuals, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose child marriage (as carried out by Muhammad, blessed be his name), then I am a bigot.

If you mean I support the freedom of expression and the press, then I am a bigot.



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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Ahh,religion eh?

preach peace,hate non believers!


This is why religions are evil people,and before anyone with a bee in their bonnet because they beleive in x y or z chirps up...if religion was never here then i can bet my last penny that their wouldn't have been half the wars there have been in the world



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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"Christians Blown Apart In Nigeria By God Fearing Islamists"



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What a great idea for putting up a dented "Title" !! The MSM wouldn't put that kind of angle!


You sure, you're not suggesting us to accept an alliance to hate towards muslims or islam? Propaganda at its best.

What a crappy thread!

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posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 02:22 AM
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Even if that is true, which I highly doubt - that's 4000 out of around 3 million people. Hence, that suggests my point that those guys are minority fundamentalists. They don't all join Al-Qaeda, some converts just get carried away and want to see what its all about. They usually get put off and return back to society.


If you mean I oppose Muslims murdering people in Nigeria, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose the murder of people who insult Islam, then I am a bigot.

If you mean that I oppose the death penalty for anyone leaving Islam, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose the stoning of women accused of adultery, then I am a bigot.

If you mean that I favour equal rights for men and women, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose lashing people who have sex outside of marriage, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose discrimination against homosexuals, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose child marriage (as carried out by Muhammad, blessed be his name), then I am a bigot.

If you mean I support the freedom of expression and the press, then I am a bigot.

Muslims oppose pretty much all of those as well.. this is the whole argument - you keep making the mistake of mixing up Muslims with radical fundamentalists.

You are unwilling to see things any other way, despite being confronted with the facts. This is bigotry in its pure form and no offence, but I don't have any more time to waste on you man. If you were willing to actually learn, maybe I'd stick around - but you're not. So I won't. Have fun.



posted on Jan, 8 2012 @ 01:21 AM
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As an update relating to the African continent....KENYA is now being subject to terror.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Christians attack Muslims and their mosques? Nothing happens. It's perfectly okay.
Muslims attack Christians and their churches? All hell breaks loose.

This violence is meaningless and I think it's horrible no matter who commits the attacks. Having religion and faith is a wonderful thing as long as you keep it to yourself and stop telling other religions that they're wrong. Because every religion has the mindset that every religion outside of theirs is wrong. It's okay to think that as its a belief, not a fact. If you and/or the people of your religion preach to the masses that everyone but them is right, what do you expect to happen?

Religion and hands are essentially the same: keep them to yourself and others will do the same. This applies to everyone, not just Christians and Muslims.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by arollingstone
Once a bigot, always a bigot?


If you mean I oppose Muslims murdering people in Nigeria, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose the murder of people who insult Islam, then I am a bigot.

If you mean that I oppose the death penalty for anyone leaving Islam, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose the stoning of women accused of adultery, then I am a bigot.

If you mean that I favour equal rights for men and women, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose lashing people who have sex outside of marriage, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose discrimination against homosexuals, then I am a bigot.

If you mean I oppose child marriage (as carried out by Muhammad, blessed be his name), then I am a bigot.

If you mean I support the freedom of expression and the press, then I am a bigot.



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No more wars.

Unless we are attacked by a foriegn power.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by arollingstone
Even if that is true, which I highly doubt - that's 4000 out of around 3 million people.


Hey, don't argue with me. Argue with MI5 - they are the source of the figure that 4,000 British Muslims have been trained by the Taliban. It is true however that most British Muslims just want a quiet life.

Muslim extremists however seem to be doing a very effective job of controlling UK mosques and effectively dominating their communities.

Check out the Muslim Baroness Warsi being harassed by Muslims. Those guys are Imams!




Originally posted by arollingstone
Hence, that suggests my point that those guys are minority fundamentalists. They don't all join Al-Qaeda, some converts just get carried away and want to see what its all about. They usually get put off and return back to society.


That's a positive spin on Muslim British nationals being trained by the Taliban to fight the British army in Afghanistan.


Originally posted by arollingstone
You are unwilling to see things any other way, despite being confronted with the facts. This is bigotry in its pure form and no offence, but I don't have any more time to waste on you man. If you were willing to actually learn, maybe I'd stick around - but you're not. So I won't. Have fun.


Yet the only facts you have presented are arguing that only 4,000 British Muslims out of 3 million have been trained by the Taliban and arguing that the 4,000 figure produced by MI5 is doubtful.

You speak of bigots. Check out those Imams harassing Baroness Warsi. Imams!

Truly Islam is a religion of peace....





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posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Let them believe what they want to believe.

Who are you to tell them anything about what they believe?



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
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Let them believe what they want to believe.

Who are you to tell them anything about what they believe?



You replied to a thread that is effectively dead within 5 minutes (literally) of me posting a reply to another poster?

Very fishy.

The last reply on this thread was made 3 days ago, yet you reply to my post to someone else within 5 minutes.

Who are you?

A better question would be, what are you?



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by ollncasino
 


Let them believe what they want to believe.

Who are you to tell them anything about what they believe?



You replied to a thread that is effectively dead within 5 minutes (literally) of me posting a reply to another poster?

Very fishy.

The last reply on this thread was made 3 days ago, yet you reply to my post to someone else within 5 minutes.

Who are you?

A better question would be, what are you?


What you think I am an Ai?

No I just don't want more scam wars thats all.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Let them believe what they want to believe.


Indeed. Unless it infringes on my rights.


Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Who are you to tell them anything about what they believe?


Someone who has studies the Koran and Hadiths?

Look, I am happy if most Muslims think Jihad means merely a spiritual struggle, but the Koran and Hadiths are clear that it doesn't. It means a violent expansion of Islam.




“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.

But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world….

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.

Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says, kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!

...Whatever good there is, exists thanks to the sword, and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient, except with the sword!

The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors!

...Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war?

I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

—Ayatollah Khomeini (1902-1989) Iran’s Supreme Leader from 1979 to 1989—the highest ranking political and religious authority of the nation.



Perhaps you are happy being witless (according to the Ayatollah Khomeini) but I have spent the time studying the Koran and Hadiths and know what they say.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
What you think I am an Ai?

No I just don't want more scam wars thats all.


No, on reflection, you are almost certainly just someone that spends a lot of time on ATS.

By the way, certainly in the UK, the Imams are much more extreme than the conregation. They ship in foreign Muslims Imams in preference to British ones. They tend to be a bit less progressive shall we say.

Having said that, if you look at the Youtube video above, those are British Imams, so perhaps to find extreme preachers, the Mosques don't have to look too far a field.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
What you think I am an Ai?

No I just don't want more scam wars thats all.


No, on reflection, you are almost certainly just someone that spends a lot of time on ATS.

By the way, certainly in the UK, the Imams are much more extreme than the conregation. They ship in foreign Muslims Imams in preference to British ones. They tend to be a bit less progressive shall we say.

Having said that, if you look at the Youtube video above, those are British Imams, so perhaps to find extreme preachers, the Mosques don't have to look too far a field.




So what do you propose? Deportation?



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
So what do you propose? Deportation?


No, I propose to pretend that it isn't happening.

There. That will do the trick.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Why did you feel the need to revive this thread? Anyway, I've said what I've had to say already, yet you're too arrogant to take any of it in. You seem to take pleasure in ignorance - Jihad does NOT equate to violence against non-Muslims, that is a fact. That is one of the first things you learn about in Islamic studies, it is an extremely broad term that can be applied to struggling to do good, striving to be a better person, defending the religion (though not specifically through violent means), etc.

You talk of violence as if its a necessity in Islam, is it one of the pillars of Islam? No. The Pillars are:

1) a belief that there's one God, with Muhammad as his main messenger (though Islam recognises many prophets, including those of other religions)
2) praying five times a day
3) giving charity to the needy regularly
4) fasting in ramadan
5) doing the Hajj pilgramige at least once in one's life

What do any of those have to do with violence? Nothing, so lay off pal. You say you study the Hadith and Qur'an, what a load.You know nothing of them. You merely want a scapegoat to berate and condescend.

Religion, like anything else, is a powerful indoctrination tool. That is the real issue, uneducated people being indoctrinated by those with bad intentions. The Qur'an is written in a highly poetic form of Arabic and is supposed to be studied in Arabic - so when people who don't speak the language put their faith in others for an accurate translation, it can often go wrong. For example, if some illiterate kid in Pakistan is told by their Imam that God says they must kill, they're going to take that for granted - it doesn't mean its part of the faith or that its in the book.

It is available in multiple languages, but the original script is very hard to translate as many words have more than one connotation. Intelligent people are much less likely to be indoctrinated by malicious Imams, just as they are less likely to be indoctrinated by malicious politicians.

However, people on your side of the fence are too ignorant to see it isn't the specific religion that perpetrates violence - its violent leaders that take advantage of the uneducated. And if you are going to argue against organised religion, which would be legitimate, argue against all organised religions - don't say 'this one is the most hateful, all Muslims think they need to kill non-Muslims', thats prejudice. What is such prejudice even based on? All of the 'big three', as I call them, have had people kill in their names.

I do agree though that British Muslims, in my view, often tend to have a slightly warped perception of Islam compared to Arab ones. Though I wouldn't attribute that to 'importing foreign Imams'.
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