Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

reply to post by Section31


Thank you, someone argued with me earlier that socialists can only be leftist. They can be left, mid, or right. Just depends. The longer it exists without reform the closer it gets to an extreme. Same with capitalism if it goes unchecked, it just takes longer.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Good question, first you would have to determine what would be considered a casualty attributed to capitalism, the only thing I can think of is the revolutionary war where people fought to win the Republic we have today which would be 50,000.

All American wars combined, only 2,489,335

en.wikipedia.org...

Of course that only accounts for military, but I couldn't seem to find an answer to that question. But again, you would have to define the question better,

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Also...

Also, that isn't the point of the thread. It was pretty clear from the beginning the point of the thread was an attempt to align Hitler with leftist views, but that agenda failed.

...I never made that arguement...

In another thread, my avatar seemed to spark an interesting debate, not quite on topic with the thread however. I think one worthy of it's own thread. Hitler was a Socialist!!!

en.wikipedia.org...
Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ( listen); 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), commonly referred to as the Nazi Party). He was Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and head of state (as Führer und Reichskanzler) from 1934 to 1945. Hitler is most commonly associated with the rise of fascism in Europe, World War II, and the Holocaust.


So without further adieu, Adolph Hitler. Was he a socialist, or was he a socialist?
Please discuss!!!

...you did....

Whether he was a socialist is up for debate. He more closely resembles a neoconservative and he was a fascist.
What is for certain is that he was NOT the type of socialist that the right leaning people and organizations like FOX want to attribute to him. Fascism is against several types of socialism (liberal socialism and communism). So what is for certain is that Hitler was in fact far right.

...remember?

Can mods close obvious troll threads? (Please?)

2nd line.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Do you include the American soldiers that died? Also the million or so people from the last war?

Plus we can't pin it on socialism or capitalism as much as the far right agenda that was heading them during the wars (not saying that there haven't been wars with left leaning people in charge, but less I think, I could be wrong).

He wasn't a socialist. Just because the word "socialist" is in the name of his party doesn't mean they follow socialist principles. And even if he did, that wouldn't make socialism bad...because clearly, socialism wasn't the cause of the holocaust.

The democrats aren't democratic either because they are just as bought as the GOP...so having "democrat" in your party name doesn't mean you really are in favor of democracy

reply to post by thehoneycomb


You didn't have to, it was pretty obvious.

reply to post by thehoneycomb

Good question, first you would have to determine what would be considered a casualty attributed to capitalism...

Do you only count American deaths? Because the wars for oil and to please defence contractors are done because of capitalism...just like pretty much every single war the US is involved in. And generally, during wars, not only US soldiers die

reply to post by MrXYZ


No but you must site what the casualties were attributed to and they must be attributed towards the spread of capitalism or in attempt to install capitalist governments.

This is a silly thread. What next, Mussolini was really a break dancer from NYC, Stalin was a lollypop salesman, Pol Pot was the lead in a barber shop quartet ? Whatever they call themselves it's not neccesarily true. He was a Dictator, simple as that.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Yes, you can include Iraq, however I am not really sure what Iraq was for, I don't think it was for capitalism as America has been far away from that for some time.

But...make sure you site how it was related to the spread of capitalism or at least supportive of it.

Who cares about socialism. Maybe if Hitler won WWII, that the Zionists Jews started anyway, the world wouldn't be as effed as it already is. I have 10x more respect for Hitler than I do for Obama, or Bush, or any of these... let me stop now.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

No but you must site what the casualties were attributed to and they must be attributed towards the spread of capitalism or in attempt to install capitalist governments.

But that's EXACTLY what the wars the US are waging right now are all about. The reason they went into Iraq for example wasn't a threat to national security, it was because the defence lobbyists did such a great job...and because those influencing politics knew that oil prices would rise if war breaks out (the Koch brothers did that for example). And of course they want the oil

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Also, that isn't the point of the thread. It was pretty clear from the beginning the point of the thread was an attempt to align Hitler with leftist views, but that agenda failed.

edit on 1-12-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

it didn't fail in the least, Hitler was also a vegetarian, and an environmentalist, as well as a socialist. The only thing that fails is the people trying to claim Hitler and facist leaders weren't socialists when the evidence says the contrary.

BTW, just because some of those socialist dictators had some different views doesn't make them any less socialists. There are many branches in the socialist tree.

Originally posted by Hiasyouwant
Who cares about socialism. Maybe if Hitler won WWII, that the Zionists Jews started anyway, the world wouldn't be as effed as it already is. I have 10x more respect for Hitler than I do for Obama, or Bush, or any of these... let me stop now.

Wow...just wow, what a garbage post!! The jews started WW2? Really? And you respect Hitler?

You might wanna read up on history, because clearly, you don't have a clue!

Originally posted by MrXYZ

But that's EXACTLY what the wars the US are waging right now are all about. The reason they went into Iraq for example wasn't a threat to national security, it was because the defence lobbyists did such a great job...and because those influencing politics knew that oil prices would rise if war breaks out (the Koch brothers did that for example). And of course they want the oil

All this claim about "they want the oil"... Where is that "oil"?... Do you know what the price of gasoline and diesel is in places like Iraq?... 5 cents a gallon, and that's because the oil people like you claim the west wants is actually in the hands of Iraquis...

What those companies like Halliburton are getting is contracts, not oil.

Originally posted by CaptainIraq
Can mods close obvious troll threads? (Please?)

2nd line.

Aaah, censorship much on topics leftist don't want to discuss?...

Second line...

Originally posted by Fretz

So? We norwegian-socialists makes it much better better then the states,no?

How so? What qualities are you classifying as "better"?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by MrXYZ

But that's EXACTLY what the wars the US are waging right now are all about. The reason they went into Iraq for example wasn't a threat to national security, it was because the defence lobbyists did such a great job...and because those influencing politics knew that oil prices would rise if war breaks out (the Koch brothers did that for example). And of course they want the oil

All this claim about "they want the oil"... Where is that "oil"?... Do you know what the price of gasoline and diesel is in places like Iraq?... 5 cents a gallon, and that's because the oil people like you claim the west wants is actually in the hands of Iraquis...

What those companies like Halliburton are getting is contracts, not oil.

edit on 1-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

And they charge you a hefty markup for that oil...and those contracts are EXTREMELY profitable to them. So yeah, those wars are 100% cause because of greed and capitalism.

If you're an oil contractor, and you know that getting access to some random country's oil fields would net you a nice profit...and you also know that you can simply buy politicians who then push for war (Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, etc.) that will result in you getting access to those oil fields...you'd be an idiot not to do your best to start those wars. Corporations aren't moral entities, their goal is to make PROFIT. And there's nothing bad about that...as long as they follow some guidelines. For example, people shouldn't have to die for them to make a profit. Sadly, that's exactly what's happening.

Originally posted by MrXYZ


And they charge you a hefty markup for that oil...and those contracts are EXTREMELY profitable to them. So yeah, those wars are 100% cause because of greed and capitalism.

WRONG... The economy of the U.S. has been in the hands of LEFTISTS since at least 1913... Or do you forget that it was the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS who gave the power over the U.S. economy to rich banker elites known as the Feds?...

LEFTWINGER ideologies is what have brought us to the mess we are in right now...