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Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Fretz

So? We norwegian-socialists makes it much better better then the states,no?



How so? What qualities are you classifying as "better"?



Anything really. Healthcare, per capita income, standard of living, unemployment rates...take your pick


Better steaks in the US though...but Norway has hotter girls




posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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But that's EXACTLY what the wars the US are waging right now are all about. The reason they went into Iraq for example wasn't a threat to national security, it was because the defence lobbyists did such a great job...and because those influencing politics knew that oil prices would rise if war breaks out (the Koch brothers did that for example). And of course they want the oil



No they are about spreading democracy that is different than capitalism. But as I said if you want to count up the tolls from Iraq and other wars then that works as long as you provide an explanation on how it was related to the spread of or even the sustainability of capitalism.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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Last i heard Norway is a "unitary parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy"... Not to mention the fact that Norway is so successful because of CAPITALISM...

It is only because of Norway's reserves of petroleum, natural gas, minerals, lumber, seafood, fresh water, and hydropower, the fact that outside of the Middle East Norway is the world's largest producer of oil and natural gas, and it's petroleum industry accounts for a quarter of the country's gross domestic product that it has been so successful...


The United States WAS similar to Norway before LEFTWINGERS gave the economy of the United States to the Feds...


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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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Capitalism isn't bad in itself...but it clearly is if you take it to extremes, and if you're willing to kill people for profit. And that's exactly what those waging those wars are willing to do.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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But that's EXACTLY what the wars the US are waging right now are all about. The reason they went into Iraq for example wasn't a threat to national security, it was because the defence lobbyists did such a great job...and because those influencing politics knew that oil prices would rise if war breaks out (the Koch brothers did that for example). And of course they want the oil



No they are about spreading democracy that is different than capitalism. But as I said if you want to count up the tolls from Iraq and other wars then that works as long as you provide an explanation on how it was related to the spread of or even the sustainability of capitalism.


I just explained in detail why capitalism is the root cause


It wouldn't be if regulations were in place that prevented corruption in politics. Sadly, politicians are completely bought nowadays, and that allows capitalism to be taken to immoral extremes.

And the "to spread democracy" statement is laughable given how many dictators the US put in place in other countries

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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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Cool well if you're up for it. Find the death toll and then report back so that we can compare them side by side.

Besides we don't live in a truly capitalist country anymore.
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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Capitalism isn't bad in itself...but it clearly is if you take it to extremes, and if you're willing to kill people for profit. And that's exactly what those waging those wars are willing to do.


Corpocratism is not Capitalism. In Capitalism no corporation, or corporations have all the power, but rather the power of capitalism is on the people with skills, and the producers which can be anyone and everyone.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


Cool well if you're up for it. Find the death toll and then report back so that we can compare them side by side.

Besides we don't live in a truly capitalist country anymore.
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And neither was Nazi Germany socialist


The party was formed to draw workers away from COMMUNISM and steer them towards NATIONALISM. For crying out loud, they were AGAINST unions



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
I just explained in detail why capitalism is the root cause



No, you failed to realise that "it is leftwinger ideologies", and in the name of progress(political progress that is)" that the United States is in the # hole it has been for the past almost 100 years. It has not been because of Capitalism...

The Leftwingers allowed Corpocratism to take control of the U.S. and it's economy when they signed the "reforms" that included the Federal Reserve Act, and the IRS as it exists today among others...



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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HEY HEY HEY!! hitler was austrian NOT german. arnold shwarzeneger/hitler austrian not german.

i think its an apple and orange kinda situation as the defination of right/left socialist/comunists have changed over the years.

having said that what hitler was, was a mass murdering sh#tbag he woulda claimed to have been from mars if thats what got him in power. as to his policies i guess you would have to say they were more evil than socialist or fascist.

p.s. his real name is schlichengrubben.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

And neither was Nazi Germany socialist


The party was formed to draw workers away from COMMUNISM and steer them towards NATIONALISM. For crying out loud, they were AGAINST unions



Stalin and Lenin both had different ideas on what sort of communism should exist...did that make them any less communists?...


You are claiming that because Hitler had some different ideas from some other socialists that he wasn't one... Do you not see the fallacy in your reasoning?... Are you claming ALL socialists have the same ideas on what socialism should be?...



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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by citizen3273676
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having said that what hitler was, was a mass murdering sh#tbag he woulda claimed to have been from mars if thats what got him in power. as to his policies i guess you would have to say they were more evil than socialist or fascist.

p.s. his real name is schlichengrubben.


He was a socialist. He consolidated all power to him/the state. That is socialism... Yes i know, it is very EVIL... You said it yourself...



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Fretz

So? We norwegian-socialists makes it much better better then the states,no?



How so? What qualities are you classifying as "better"?



Anything really. Healthcare, per capita income, standard of living, unemployment rates...take your pick


Better steaks in the US though...but Norway has hotter girls


Maybe you could specify what is "better" about the socialist system in any of those areas? The question did specify what qualities were "better"..

BTW - Norway probably NEEDS hotter girls, climate considered.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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i dont think calling hitler any political stereotype is a fair argument. he was a genius albeit an evil genius who played it how ever he needed to because he was a chess player if you will. in short he surfed the wave he had available and wore the appropriate funny hat. i seriously doubt political beliefs came into play the man was just evil. if you look into his time in power he ended up an insane megolomaniac with absolute power and no ability to delegate. imo i would just classify him as an evil/insane power mad dictator with popularity issues and probably a really small ...



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Fretz

So? We norwegian-socialists makes it much better better then the states,no?


That may or may not be true, but if there was no America, Norway, and all the rest of europe would be butt hole slaves to a bunch of inhuman faggot nazi's.

In my mind the systen that prevents that from happening is the best system regardless of how nice you have it now living off of other peoples money.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 10:12 PM
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See you fail aswell.
I didn't say he failed at aligning Hitler with socialists, I said he failed to align Hitler with "leftists" which he did because Hitler was far right. Although, no matter what examples you give, him being a veggie, blah blah, doesn't change that he was anti-liberal, anti-communist, anti-marxist, and so forth. He may have used some socialist formulas, but whether or not he was a true socialist is up for debate, and the fact he was far right is just that, a fact.

So he absolutely failed in trying to align Hitler with the left or far left.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Many Americans consider Obama a Socialist. Here's a new add that compares Obama to Hitler, so the comparison probably isn't all that far fetched.

washington.cbslocal.com...



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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How do you know the numbers posted from that site are accurate? They seem either grossely exaggerated or mispresented in some way. Perhaps it was the total figures from war and people dying from starvation or disease while enprisoned.

Then lets examine how many people died under the monarchies of europe while engaging in war among themselves and engaging their colonial occupants on other continents. Don't forget monarchies are right wing oriented.

Then examine the right wing dictatorships in central and south america. Then the wars against korea and vietnam, all while fighting communism and failing at the same time.

Or the europeans that killed natives when they moved into north america.

Do the tally. Don't forget Stalin was a communist dictator that had absolutely nothing to do with hitler and his socialist dictatorship. Afterall they hated each other to the point of war.

Lastely, but not least, the war with iraq, afghanistan, libya, somalia, yugoslavia, greneda, panama, etc. Too many to list but hopefully the OP gets the point. All-in-all right wingers have way more blood on their hands than all the left wingers combined.
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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

See you fail aswell.
I didn't say he failed at aligning Hitler with socialists, I said he failed to align Hitler with "leftists" which he did because Hitler was far right. Although, no matter what examples you give, him being a veggie, blah blah, doesn't change that he was anti-liberal, anti-communist, anti-marxist, and so forth. He may have used some socialist formulas, but whether or not he was a true socialist is up for debate, and the fact he was far right is just that, a fact.

So he absolutely failed in trying to align Hitler with the left or far left.


Since WHEN is SOCIALISM far right?...

I swear, the lies that leftwingers tell themselves to try to defend their ideology is just astonishing...

You can be anti-communist, anti-marxist, anti-liberal and still be a socialist...

Perhaps if you read from a leftwinger source what is the main feature that makes socialism what it is you MIGHT understand what makes a person socialist.


Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership.[2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.

en.wikipedia.org...

So you see as long as someone wants to consolidate all power to either one person, a small group claiming to represent the people and has all power, including the means of production, and the "social ownership" can refer even to "cooperative enterprises" (corporations anyone?) that is socialism...



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
In another thread, my avatar seemed to spark an interesting debate, not quite on topic with the thread however. I think one worthy of it's own thread. Hitler was a Socialist!!!

en.wikipedia.org...
So without further adieu, Adolph Hitler. Was he a socialist, or was he a socialist?
Please discuss!!!


The former eastern Germany, a communist dictatorship which actually shot everyone who tried to leave the country was also named "German Democratic Republic". Was it democratic? HARDLY.

You should be smart enough to know that people in power often use words meaning ONE thing, but the reality is the exact opposite of it. If not, maybe read "1984"..you might learn something



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