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Originally posted by Section31
Actually, socialists come in two extreme varieties.
Socialists can be far right and far left winged.
Obama is a socialist dirt bag communist.
Bush is a socialist dirt bag communist.
Don't fool yourselves.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ANOK
When you elect individuals to represent a community and privately own their means of production, you in essence are merging socialism and capitalism.
In short, fascism is the union of government and corporation. When governments, elected by people, control who privately own the means of production, you have capitalism also. It's simply more oligarchical in its organization.
The term State capitalism has various meanings, but is usually described as commercial (profit-seeking) economic activity undertaken by the state with management of the productive forces in a capitalist manner, even if the state is nominally socialist. State capitalism is usually characterized by the dominance or existence of a significant number of state-owned business enterprises. Examples of state capitalism include Corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along corporate and business management practices) and states that own controlling shares of publicly-listed corporations, effectively acting as a large capitalist and shareholder itself.
State capitalism has also come to refer to an economic system where the means of production are owned privately but the state has considerable control over the allocation of credit and investment, as in the case of France during the period of dirigisme. Alternatively, state capitalism may be used (sometimes interchangeably with state monopoly capitalism) to describe a system where the state intervenes in the economy to protect and advance the interests of large-scale businesses. This practice is often claimed to be in contrast with the ideals of both socialism and laissez-faire capitalism.
There are various theories and critiques of state capitalism, some of which have existed since the 1917 October Revolution or even before. The common themes among them are to identify that the workers do not meaningfully control the means of production and that commodity relations and production for profit still occur within state capitalism. Other socialists use the term state capitalism to refer to an economic system that is nominally capitalist, such that business and private owners gain the profits from an economy largely subsidized, developed and where decisive research and development is done by the state sector at public cost.
Marxist literature typically defines state capitalism as a social system combining capitalism—the wage system of producing and appropriating surplus value—with ownership or control by a state. By that definition, a state capitalist country is one where the government controls the economy and essentially acts like a single huge corporation, extracting the surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production. Friedrich Engels, in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, argues that state capitalism would be the final stage of capitalism consisting of ownership and management of large-scale production and communication by the bourgeois state.
This term is also used by some advocates of laissez-faire capitalism in reference to a private capitalist economy controlled by a state, often meaning a privately owned economy that is subject to statist economic planning. Some even use the term to refer to capitalist economies such that the state provides substantial public services and regulation of business activity. In the 1930s, Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini described Italian Fascism's economic system of corporatism as "state socialism turned on its head". This term was often used to describe the controlled economies of the great powers in the First World War.
They set the worst records that have never been broken in the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with ~60 million killed; the Peoples' Republic of China, ~50 million; the National Socialist German Workers' Party, ~20 million). It is known by many names including: the anti-capitalist holocaust; the anti individualist holocaust; the anti minarchist holocaust; the anti capitalist genocide; the anti individualist genocide; the anti minarchist genocide. It resulted in the persecution of everyone who supported liberty and who opposed bigger government, bigger spending, authoritarianism, and socialism. Individualists and capitalists were persecuted by socialists in the modern inquisition: the anti minarchist inquisitions; the anti-capitalist inquisitions; the anti individualist inquisitions. The National Socialist German Workers Party even persecuted Jewish people as capitalists. rexcurry.net... The modern socialist inquisitions greatly exceeded the old inquisitions in numbers of people slaughtered. It is referred to as the modern dark age, or the socialist dark age.
As an attorney, Rex represented people facing the death penalty for murder. He never defended anyone as murderous as governments and government officials (the worst: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with ~60 million killed; the Peoples' Republic of China, ~50 million; the National Socialist German Workers' Party, ~20 million). rexcurry.net...
After the National Socialist German Workers' Party slaughtered 21 million, then the same genocidal socialist policies of the monstrous Party continued under the U.S.S.R. and the PRC, resulting in the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part) with the socialist trio of horrid atrocities: the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (~60 million dead), the Peoples' Republic of China (~50 million dead), and the National Socialist German Workers' Party (~20 million dead).