Hitler Was a Socialist!!!

This is a weak attempt to bridge the so called socialist agenda of Obama with Hitler's association with the National Socialist party. What an idiotic post. I'm not even an Obama fan.

Originally posted by flexy123

The former eastern Germany, a communist dictatorship which actually shot everyone who tried to leave the country was also named "German Democratic Republic". Was it democratic? HARDLY.

You should be smart enough to know that people in power often use words meaning ONE thing, but the reality is the exact opposite of it. If not, maybe read "1984"..you might learn something

If you actually read up on history you will find that all socialist/communist parties first got accepted into countries through "democracy groups".

Democracy is mob rule, the rule of the mayority(or what is called more commonly as worker's power), or when a person, or group gets in power they can CLAIM to represent the people and be democratic. Then through "progress" said country can slowly be converted into socialist, or a fully communist state.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Yeah right wingers fail to acknowledge that corporatism is the main branch of capitalism.

They also fail to acknowledge that libertarianism, monarchism and anarchism compromise the extreme right!

So who lies more then electricuniverse? Is it right wingers or left wingers?

I already proved who kills more in my post above yours, so lets see if you have any honesty at all within you.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Monarchies ARE NOT FAR RIGHT... In a Monarchy the monarch has ALL POWER, which means consolidated power, which is also a form of socialism...

Monarchs used to claim that they served the people, even though for the most part they didn't...

By all that is holy you people never cease to amaze me...

Even when you read the definition directly from a LEFTWINGER SOURCE you people, socialists and leftwingers in general, can't see the trees in the forest...

Facism is a socialist ideology... The man who invented facism was a lifelong socialist who differed in SOME ideas with other forms of socialism and decided to create his own branch of socialism...

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I don't know for sure as I was not the one who came up with those numbers. However take into account the number of innocent civilians murdered exceeded 10 million I think it is safe to say that for any system that murders over 10 million innocents is not exactly peaceful or tolerant. That is what you call a holocaust.

en.wikipedia.org...

Of the nine million Jews who had resided in Europe before the Holocaust, approximately two-thirds perished.[5] More than one million Jewish children were killed in the Holocaust, as were approximately two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men.[6][7] Broad definitions of the Holocaust include the Nazis' genocide of millions of people in other groups, including Romani (more commonly known in English by the exonym "Gypsies"), Sinti, Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, homosexuals, people with disabilities, Jehovah's Witnesses and other political and religious opponents, which occurred regardless of whether they were of German or non-German ethnic origin.[8] Using this definition, the total number of civilians murdered by the Nazis is between 10 million and 11 million (around 5.7 million Jews[9] and a roughly equal number of non-Jews)[10][11] The mini-series Holocaust is credited with introducing the term into common parlance after 1978.[12]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Monarchies ARE NOT FAR RIGHT... In a Monarchy the monarch has ALL POWER, which means consolidated power, which is also a form of socialism...

Monarchs used to claim that they served the people, even though for the most part they didn't...

By all that is holy you people never cease to amaze me...

Even when you read the definition directly from a LEFTWINGER SOURCE you people, socialists and leftwingers in general, can't see the trees in the forest...

Facism is a socialist ideology... The man who invented facism was a lifelong socialist who differed in SOME ideas with other forms of socialism and decided to create his own branch of socialism...

edit on 1-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

Monarchies are the smallest of small governments, composed of wealthy land owners who like to call themselves elite and rule over the commoners. Do you know any history at all man? Did you finish high school?

As for fascism being socialist idealogy I partially agree, but it was right wing socialism, which was closer to capitalism than it was to communism. That is what most people are trying to tell you and you have such a hard time understanding.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


And you want to know the numbers of people murdered under socialist/communist dictatorships?...

With this understood, the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1.

In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.
...

www.hawaii.edu...

That's without counting the millions imprisoned for not accepting the socialist/communist dogma...

reply to post by White Locust

This is a weak attempt to bridge the so called socialist agenda of Obama with Hitler's association with the National Socialist party. What an idiotic post. I'm not even an Obama fan.

Do you remember by chance before Obama was president, these types of threads were all the rage?

No of course, now that Obamas President, the majority of ATS seems to believe the holocaust could never again happen.

Ironic isn't it?

This guy is an obvious troll who is motivated solely by the desire to annoy people with inflammatory rhetoric. Why are any of you bothering to give him exactly what he wants? He's not interested in making a compelling argument or participating in a debate. His goal was to get a whole bunch of people riled up to attack his fallacious viewpoint so that he could sit back and laugh at the fireworks. How could he make it more obvious? How about a thread about North Korea being a democratic republic simply because its government calls itself "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea?"

The moderator closed his previous attempt to do this in another thread a few days ago, and yet he's back doing it again without oversight.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Monarchies are the smallest of small governments, composed of wealthy land owners who like to call themselves elite and rule over the commoners. Do you know any history at all man? Did you finish high school?

I most certainly have a better education than you had.

AGAIN, read up the definition of socialism from wikipedia itself and you can see that when someone owns all means of production, and has the power over the economy, and essentially ALL power, that is the definition of socialism.

Feudal systems existed at a time when the word socialism didn't even exist. Feudal systems differed in some things with other socialist system, but in essence it is a branch of socialism.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
As for fascism being socialist idealogy I partially agree, but it was right wing socialism, which was closer to capitalism than it was to communism. That is what most people are trying to tell you and you have such a hard time understanding.

Rightwing socialism?... Now that's a new one...

reply to post by andrewh7

This guy is an obvious troll who is motivated solely by the desire to annoy people with inflammatory rhetoric. Why are any of you bothering to give him exactly what he wants? He's not interested in making a compelling argument or participating in a debate. His goal was to get a whole bunch of people riled up to attack his fallacious viewpoint so that he could sit back and laugh at the fireworks. How could he make it more obvious? How about a thread about North Korea being a democratic republic simply because its government calls itself "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea?"

The moderator closed his previous attempt to do this in another thread a few days ago, and yet he's back doing it again without oversight.

How about posting on topic rather than ranting?

If this thread was not full of rants like yours maybe some people could have an honest discussion.

What is the point of this thread?
Go open a history book.


In other news, the Titanic hit an iceberg! OR DID IT?!?!?!

reply to post by andrewh7


wow, so what happens to free speech?... Oh yeah, that's right only when it applies to some, and to their ideologies...

BTW, how about you PROVE your claim about the op being a fallacious viewpoint?... Oh that's right, you only CLAIM so, but can't prove so...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


So what is YOUR definition of big versus small government then? If you call a monarchy a big government and claim it is socialism then obviously you have no education other than elementary at best. I am sorry but I am running out of time for this nonsense and will pick up later...that is if the mods don't trash this thread AS TROLLING, which is what it deserves.

Sad to see this troll thread was allowed to stay open. A thread that has more pages in it than stars and flags is pretty clear evidence this is just a successful flame baiting thread made by a guy who just wants to piss off some "tree hugging liberal hippies" as he blanket categorized anyone with opposite views to his in his last thread. ATS is better than this.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

So what is YOUR definition of big versus small government then? If you call a monarchy a big government and claim it is socialism then obviously you have no education other than elementary at best. I am sorry but I am running out of time for this nonsense and will pick up later...that is if the mods don't trash this thread AS TROLLING, which is what it deserves.

Wow... You claim monarchies were/are the smallest of the small forms of government and you claim I am the one without an education... Really?...

I wonder what the monarchies of England, Spain, and every other country in the world were all about?...

I guess in your definition "they were small" even thou they controlled ENTIRE NATIONS...

Trolling is your middle name, not mine, but like always when certain people don't like the way a conversation is going they have to throw labels like "trolls" and such...

Such claims only shows you have no real argument AT ALL...

reply to post by darkest4


Agreed. His other was closed. What are you gonna do. I comment, not for the OP or any of the trolls, but in hopes that people that may stumble in have at least a chance of glimpsing the truth.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

Agreed. His other was closed. What are you gonna do. I comment, not for the OP or any of the trolls, but in hopes that people that may stumble in have at least a chance of glimpsing the truth.

Ah, riiight, your opinion is truth despite the fact that it differs with facts, and evidence...

Suuuure...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Your ignorance astounds.
Hitlers party was far right. With that knowledge you get two options, the option that socialism can be left or right (which it can as evidenced by the Nazi party) or that Hitler wasn't a socialist. Take your pick.

If you really want to learn rather than continuing to make a fool of yourself simply look up the position of the social workers party that became the Nazi party, you will see that it is widely agreed upon by world scholars to be far right. Rather than troll why don't you actually learn something, for once.

Or give me evidence that the Nazi Party wasn't far right. (you can't, it was)

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Humm, let's actually see whose ignorance is really astounding shall we?...

Let's read it from the man himself...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

Hummm...kind of sounds familiar doesn't it?...

Let's read some more from Hitler himself shall we?...

Hitler was intent on having a community of mutual interest that desired mutual success instead of one that was divided over the control of money or differing values.

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

Humm, i wonder what all of that is all about, and how come a "far-rightwinger" would claim such things?...