Occupy Portland Prepares For War

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Bad example? OK. How about Cuba? Is that a better example? How will Socialism 'save' the US? How will the stock market be socialized? Do you consider Canada to be a socialist country?

this is the government ops who have infiltrated OWS putting the endgame into motion. their goal was to derail the protests and cross over from peaceful to violent. when the violence begins martial law can be declared and it can officially end OWS. checkmate...government.

reply to post by pteridine


Most people who change the world for the better end up being killed. What do you want me to do? Build an ethical corporation in this day and age? Sorry, this isn't 1821. Although, I suppose Ben and Jerry did. The worlds overpopulated anyway. I'm willing to fight and die for those who are not.

Having read the article, the following can be stated:

There can be no good that comes from the actions of the protestors by their actions. Arming and setting in for the long haul is not a good thing as they are escalating the problems by starting to arm themselves. It is also a bad sign that there are more people coming up from the south and other cities to join them.

Winter is here, and the temps are dropping, the city officials have to make a decision, let the protestors freeze or to try to protect them, even from their own actions. It looks like they are going with the latter, as they want them to clear from the parks and to go to shelters.

While the determination of the protestors is admirable, the fact that they are not willing to think in terms of common sense is not, especially if they are arming themselves with shields and weapons to fight the police. It will only lead to an escalation, where someone will get shot, and then the cries for justice will not only be unfounded, but great from different aspects of the country.

The other disturbing thing that is in the article, is the statement, we can not control our members. That also is a bad sign, as it shows that they are not so organized and maybe just shy of being a mob, looking for an excuse to riot, doing damage to what ever they can where ever they can. This serves neither their goals or anyone else’s for that matter.

So the question is simple, if you were mayor what would you do, let them freeze or try to get the protestors into shelters to protect them from the elements that will be hitting the area, knowing that freezing temperatures and snow will be covering the area? It is November, and such happens every year in that part of the world. It is a lose/lose situation for the city council and mayor of Portland, as either position will bring screams of abuse on the part of the protestors, none of whom has given those city governments any options. No one wants to lose in this case, and by creating a situation like this, it can only lead to more trouble and violence. The question is also coming up, as to who is going to commit the first action of violence, the protestors or the police? After all the protestors were given fair warning, and know what it coming, from the local government.

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

Bad example? OK. How about Cuba? Is that a better example? How will Socialism 'save' the US? How will the stock market be socialized? Do you consider Canada to be a socialist country?

I'm not pro socialism, but isn't Cuba like that because of all the economic sanctions we put on them during the Cold War? Remember, history is written by the victor.

OCCUPY PORTLAND?! REALLY?!

Why would they demonstrate in Portland? Nearly 90% of the populace votes liberal. They elected the people they are supposedly protesting against (as is the case in most places INCLUDING New York)...and you know what? They'll vote the same way next time too.

They dont want change...they just want the handouts to come THEIR way even though THEIR man in the whitehouse gave all those Wallstreeters that money. And don't forget, HE WANTS TO DO IT AGAIN!

reply to post by neo96


"You cant have a revolution that doesn't involve bloodshed, and your afraid to bleed!" - Malcolm X

2nd

reply to post by sdcigarpig


I liked the part about protecting people from themselves.

Yes we're beating you for your own good....

Gas canisters of love...

Rubber bullets of compassion...

Being assaulted is just tough love...


Gotta appreciate their concern... err...mock concern

ty for much laughter

reply to post by pteridine


Who even said anything about socialism?

Sheesh.

reply to post by sonnny1


The fact that people take the time to star this comment shows that this site is slowly swirling down a goddamn toilet drain.

Thanks for contributing to it, goofball.

P.S- That's still a hell of a cool avatar. The Pope creeps me out.

reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot


Your caps lock button seems to be on the fritz... in an intermittent manner. Just thought you'd like to know.

You also seem stuck on the idea that OWS is bound to the Democratic party .... wrong.

Obama is certainly not my man in office.

Ciao

reply to post by Resinveins

What do you think is going to happen the first time the police see the protestors are armed with weapons and shields? They will up the ante and break out actual firearms.

So what would you do if you were mayor of any city in the north, say Portland? Would you let the protestors freeze to death in the parks, or would you break the encampments up?

as much as i'd like to see the people stand up, unless its new york amount of people, they'll get squashed by the police unfortunately. especially if they are armed.
you just can't beat the fraternity of cops.

Originally posted by MegasAlexandros
reply to post by pteridine

 

Most people who change the world for the better end up being killed. What do you want me to do? Build an ethical corporation in this day and age? Sorry, this isn't 1821. Although, I suppose Ben and Jerry did. The worlds overpopulated anyway. I'm willing to fight and die for those who are not.

All people die, eventually, why rush it.

I am suggesting that glorious death is not so glorious and is not a requirement for changing the world for the better. Even if you get a bronze statue in a park for your gloriousness, the pigeons will tell you what they think of it. Ethical corporations and not-for-profit organizations can do good in this day and age. Get yourself a medical degree and join doctors without borders. Become an engineer and provide the third-world poor with a way to make clean drinking water. Become a scientist and reforest the Sahara desert. Become a lawyer and represent the downtrodden. These are positive things that help rather than destroy. They do not pay as well as stock market manipulation, professional sports, Hollywood movie acting, or arbitrageurage but they make a life far more worthwhile. Changing the world is not easy to do and getting to a position where it is possible takes far more work than leading the charge of the light brigade. You don't have to understand science, engineering, medicine or law to start a pointless riot. A glorious death is the easy way out.

Pteridine, I fully agree with your stance on this. It makes me want to go to school for one of the positions you mentioned!

reply to post by The Sword

Dear Sheesh,

Socialism had been brought up by Dimitri. I was resoponding to him.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think protestors have every right to fight back, however the key point is fighting back. If the officers do not hit people needlessly then be peaceful, if they turn violent protect yourself and the people who deserve the protection by any means necessary.

Originally posted by unknown known
reply to post by neo96

 

"You cant have a revolution that doesn't involve bloodshed, and your afraid to bleed!" - Malcolm X

2nd

Do you think that a revolution is required or just changes in the way wealth is distributed?

"REVOLUTION, n.
In politics, an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment. Specifically, in American history, the substitution of the rule of an Administration for that of a Ministry, whereby the welfare and happiness of the people were advanced a full half-inch. Revolutions are usually accompanied by a considerable effusion of blood, but are accounted worth it -- this appraisement being made by beneficiaries whose blood had not the mischance to be shed." -- A. Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

Originally posted by Rockpuck
News Story

Police Friday said they had reason to think many in the camp were arming for a confrontation, calling for reinforcements from Seattle and San Francisco, along with constructing weapons and fortifications.

As much as I'd love to see OWS gone just for the sheer fact of how much it costs the city (nearly $400k in overtime bills alone) I have to say.. I respect their ability to stand up to the police.

Police said hundreds were possibly heading to Portland and people may be in trees during any police action and a hole was being dug, reinforced by wood.

Protesters were also thought to be hammering nails into pieces of wood for weapons and gathering gas masks.

Several pallets were brought in Thursday night to the northwest corner of Chapman Park known as "The 420 Hotel" where police were told it looked like protesters were making shields.

Anyone on the West Coast knows you can go up and down the entire coast via Amtrak very cheap .. apparently people are heeding the call with people coming in from all over the place to take on the police at midnight, Saturday night. The mayor thought he was being nice or something when he gave them a 6 day notice that they would be removed this coming Sunday morning right at Midnight.. There are 3 camps, federal officers will be assisting. Perhaps they thought they would leave, but obviously building shields and spiked clubs would make it appear they are not leaving. Peacefully anyways. Also all over the place posted on light poles are posters warning protesters how to protect themselves against tear gas and other "non-lethal" weapons.

Personally I think it's about time people stood up to the police, and meet them with shield and club as they come at protesters billy-clubs swinging.

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oh boy.... This is getting bad. Do these people not realize the more force they apply the more force these crooked sick cops are going to use ? And I have to say what good is a board with nails against riot gear ??? seriously... oh no you scratched my uniform.. now you've attempted to use deadly force against my kevlar and plates.... hmmm well i have a service pistol that ignores your pallet shields and clothing.....