Originally posted by ottobot
The disorganization, unclear focus, volatile language, and recent shift toward violent protest does not appeal to me.
I see these "issues" a lot. Here's the thing; They're not true
There isn't "disorganization." These groups operate on consensus decision-making. In this regard they are actually more organized than, say, the "Tea Parties." Quick, top of your head, name a tea party "leader" - not a politician who they cheered for like Ron Paul or Sarah Palin, but someone who was actually out there leadin that movement. There wasn't one, was there? Okay, how often did people in the tea party protests get together to discuss "what next?" I'll admit, I was never in the thick of a tea party protest, so maybe they did do collective decision-making. My guess though, is that they all sort of milled around and did their own thing. Which - get this - is perfectly fine. A bunch of people who are protesting in the same direction without someone holding their reins is apparently only a bad thing when it's something the owners dislike?
No, there is no one guy leading OWS. Nominating a king just makes it way easier for him to be bought (which is, of course, the reason the mouthpeices of the owners want there to be a "king" in the first place.)
Next, this "unclear focus." Really? What's unclear about it? I'll grant it's not as simple and black-and-white as many people here might be used to from their "team's" protests, but there's a good reason for this - real life is not so simplistic. OWS addresses a great many issues, because those issues need to be addressed and are, ultimately, interconnected. Our current soundbyte-driven society doesn't support this well. I can kind of imagine had this been the condition back in the 50's and 60's, people would have been dismissing the civil rights movement because they had no clear leader and what was their issue anyway? Segregation? Voting rights? Equal housing and employment? An end to police brutality? Gosh, they were so disorganized and unfocused!
"Volatile language" is a new one, I'll give you that. Sorry, but at the end of the day, it is people who see their society and livelihoods crumbling because of easily-identified corruption in the system that is not being addressed by those in charge. So if you're expecting a lot of servile "please suh," and "thank you, missuz!" and a careful avoidance of reality that some Americans find uncomfortable (such as the root cause being unfettered lasseiz-faire "capitalism") then yeah, you're going to be disappointed. Not much I can offer you there, except mention that maybe you're just being a little too nitpicky
The "recent shift towards violent protest" is laughable. Allow me to explain.
Watching video of the frenzied people in full mob mentality at Occupy Oakland, I was disturbed.
Which video is this, exactly? There are two sources of violence in Oakland right now. One, the police. I dunno if you know a lot about Oakland, but even well prior to these protests, the OPD has had a long and inglorious history of corruption and brutality.
Second is a group calling itself the "Oakland Liberation Front." These are cretins aligned with the "black bloc" assholes, and their purpose is to cause carnage, disrupt the protests, and incite the police further. In other cities - Toronto for instance - these sorts have been proven to be part of the police forces. I dunno if that's the case in Oakland, but I do know that the OLF is no more affiliated with OWS than the KKK is affiliated with hte tea party. Occupiers respond to dudes in black masks and hoods about as well as tea partiers responded when hte dudes in white hoods and masks tried to show up, in fact. In the case of OWS, they've been actively trying to protect people and property from these asshats.
Did you see that video I linked, the Oakland folks marching on the highway? There's an easy 80,000 people there. If they were into "violent protest," Oakland would not be standing, and no police could stop it.
Honestly, it's much easier to tune out a shout when you are straining to hear a whisper.
maybe some things are worth shouting over.