OC's Elenin/Nibiru/2012 Mea Culpa

NASA employees are always tight-lipped and very reluctant to share anything.

I have a very dear friend who has worked for NASA for the last 20 years. I wrote to him a few months ago and asked about Elenin. I was surprised that I got a response, even thought it was simplistic.

He wrote: "Let me put it this way: If it misses us, we'll be fine, and if it hits us, we're screwed." That was the only time he has ever answered a question regarding anything in space. Of course, everybody knows that a comet the size of Elenin, if it hit the Earth, would be bad, so it was safe for him to answer in this way.

I don't imagine I will ever get any good info out of him until he retires. I suspect most of them fear for their jobs if they say too much.

However, it never hurts to try. Keep on tryin', OP! It is the only way anything gets discovered (or uncovered, as the case may be).

Thanx so much for the great effort you are putting in for the sake of the public. Keep it going, something's gotto give!

Please dont say that you have failed. You have not failed anybody. Your efforts and dedication is priceless, awardless and much appreciated.

oeps! what I mean is your efforts are above awards.

if you want someone to make sense of this nibiru crap then go and speak to terral you can find him in paltalk

terrals dwarf star research room ..

Maybe you are asking the wrong people. Obviously you want someone high up to tell you what's really going on to give credibility to your report, but you may have better luck with a lesser known, yet equally knowledgeable source.

For example, I live in a small town and one of my neighbors is a retired theoretical physicist. He's in his 70's but still works from home publishing papers on theories he has developed. He was never employed by NASA but has worked with them in the past and doesn't think highly of them.

All of my conversations with him leaves me completely confused because he's always talking about formulas. Yesterday I spoke with him again, he started talking about the speed of light then the conversation turned to magnetisim (maybe they were connected, I don't know). Then he was trying to get me to visualize a graph while explaining when the pole on the earth shifts the energy will peak way high on the graph and instantly drop way low until it evens out (or something). I was a bit shocked when he just casually mentioned the pole shift.

So I asked him what would cause a pole shift and he said he wasn't quite sure but most likely the sun, and went on to explain how it has happened many times in the past on a some what regular period of 11,000 years or so. Then he went on to talk about the graph and formulas a bit more.

When the conversation got back to magnetisim I asked if he thought the shift would be a physical shift, as the earth flipping over, or just a magnetic pole reversal where the north becomes south, etc. He said definetly a physical shift, and that there was lots of historical evidence to the fact. The ancient flooding was global, not just localized like some suggest from the bible. A sloshing effect. He finished up by saying it will be catastophic but there will most likely be some survivors.

After I went home I'm not sure what shocked me more, the topic of conversation or the way he was so nonchalant about it all. Of course I thought of a hundred more questions I'd like to ask after the fact.

Any way, if he was so willing to talk about it, maybe you could find someone similar to talk to. However, my neighbor may have not been so open if he thought I was interviewing him and he was going to be quoted publicly.

reply to post by OldCorp
We appreciate all of your hard work trying to get the story for us,and no it's not your mug that's not getting the your calls returned,it's pleasant enough.
I like quite a few people on ATS have that feeling that NASA is hiding something from us of course the big question is what?The feedback your getting is a bit suspicious and can go either way.It's easy to get frustrated and give up but Knowing Marines they way I do you'll get the job done one way or another,...we have faith in you

i like your style bobby.. this is exactly how these should be conducted, with a rational but open mind..

although i don't know you personally i appreciate your hard work and for sharing your progress with us..

you sir are a credit to ats, keep up the good work. i look forward to reading your next thread.

S n F

Hey Oldcorp,

You do yourself down Sir! You have a lovely choochy face, but I think jobs and fear go hand in hand. I worked for one of the biggest charities in the UK which sold off a beautiful old building with a lot of spectacular land. It had been used as a specialist college. Sold on the Friday, on the Monday suddenly, Planning Permission was granted so over one weekend, it was worth treble. We were all ordered not to say a word to the press or anyone else - sack if you did and no references. I had two sons to support then, but was furious because some of the big-wigs on this charity were every day names and Royalty. Thank you for the pleasure you have given me watching your videos as well as reading your comments. Sorry about your virus, I have also picked up one which occasionally creates havoc with my typing. I wonder if your posts are getting a little too close to the mark for some people. I often say exactly what I think but do mellow it if its a personal point. I don't regard any topic as sacrosanct.

I am wondering if any amateur astronomers have anything to add or any independant astronomers. Its quite remarkable to have Elenin/Nibiru coming out of the dark at this juncture. The other port of call I suspect are the schools that have telescopes. I know the grammer where I use to live had a good one and the teachers really loved and knew their subject. Some of those teachers would give a good run to the professional astronomers.

I keep going back to an odd thing - its why we in the past worshipped the sun. What did they know about the sun that made it worth trying to pacify. I then come up with its power and what it could do to the earth. A writer above mentions his neighbour who linked the sun with pole shift. Either he or someone else mentioned an 11,000 year cycle. Then we have Elenen/Nibiru in the equation. When are we really expecting Nibiru and Elenen, I had read it had gone by us already but thought that was wrong but can you confirm if and when.

Originally posted by pazcat

Originally posted by DJW001
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As for astronomers being unwilling to discuss Nibiru, imagine the reaction you would get if you started pestering a marine biologist with questions about mermaids.

edit on 24-10-2011 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)

That's a point, but in my interview requests I mentioned that people were talking about killing themselves and their children out of an irrational fear. Mermaids don't usually evoke that response. Star for you. In fact, stars all around.

Is it the subject matter or is it me?

And there is your answer, but I suspect you already know that. The subject matter is a killer every time especially when it's nonsense. What exactly is wrong with the wiki answer anyway? Just because you don't like the answers you are getting means they are wrong. Of course you are going to be snubbed wasting the time of serious professional with utter rubbish.
Maybe instead of following the flights of fantasy of a whack job conspiracy site you should take a cold hard look at yourself and see where it all went wrong. Who knows maybe you can be a respected journalist again because it aint going to happen associating with ATS.

"What exactly is wrong with the wiki answer anyway?"

Are you serious? Since when has Wikipedia been the definitive authority on anything? True, it's a good place to start, but I wouldn't rely on anything published there until I had fact checked it thoroughly. Cheers.

ETA: Just what is wrong with ATS? Not everyone here specializes in fearmongering, many are quite smart and put the kibosh on unfounded speculation rather quickly. I see this as a place where these issues can be discussed and clarified. There is absolutely nothing disreputable about that.

Originally posted by Lynda101
Hey Oldcorp,

You do yourself down Sir! You have a lovely choochy face, but I think jobs and fear go hand in hand.

Sorry about your virus, I have also picked up one which occasionally creates havoc with my typing. I wonder if your posts are getting a little too close to the mark for some people.

When are we really expecting Nibiru and Elenen, I had read it had gone by us already but thought that was wrong but can you confirm if and when.

Sorry for cutting out a lot of your post. What you said had a lot of merit, but I just wanted to address these three points.

1. Aw shucks ma'am.

2. I made the mistake of talking about the story, and keeping everyone updated on the progress, so anyone that wanted to plant it into my computer would have known exactly when to do it. They had no way of knowing everything I have however, so the best way to stop me was to just kill the story with the right virus at the right time - something I'm sure they can do again; but I've taken steps to prevent that from happening in the future. Assuming it was not a coincidence of course. Still, better safe than sorry

3. As Suspiria is fond of saying, Elenin is dead; it's definitely deceased, it's bleedin' demised, it is no more, it has ceased to be, it has expired and gone to meet it's maker. It is an EX-comet.


As far as Nibiru goes, Nancy Lieder says it will arrive in 2012. She gets this information telepathically from aliens originating in Zeta Reticuli. Take that for what it's worth.

Good work man,and keep digging!

A quick question if i may? Is it your gut feeling that things are being kept from you,and people are avoiding the subject?

i'm glad to see you were approaching this from a middle of the road situation, not leaning left or right, just trying to get to the bottom of it. That's how it's supposed to work, and no, ATS does not work like that. Ats works like this:

"I have a gut feeling"
"We all SEE the signs"
"We can all FEEL it"

But when facts and thrown into the mix it's disinfo. It's a fact when NASA mentioned elenin and it's approach vector, but it's disinfo when that same data says it's not going to hit us.

Seriously, there is no way anyone could come to the front page of ATS on any given day, and consider it, from the threads there, a reputable source of information. Now, those of us who have been here awhile know how to navigate the site and to ignore the crap threads and comments, but to the average outsider, well, ATS is batsnip crazy, go look at the "New topics" right now for an example.

So yeah, I wouldn't have even mentioned ATS. I would have went about it much like Penn & Teller did on their BS show, you write the waivers and such but never reveal the actual outlet. Mentioning nibiru did you in I think, you could have brought that up any number of ways, but by referencing a hoax conspiracy you doomed yourself.

As another poster said, you've got to look at it from their standpoint.

"Oh great, now you'll ask if the moon is a hologram" it's sad, but that's how WE (all of us) are looked at.

the fact is, no one can say nothing is coming. something surely is, what and when is up for debate. What we CAN figure out right now is that there is no massive planet or brown dwarf floating freely in our solar system. And this isn't just based on people not seeing it, this is based on various aspects of science.

Which brings me to this. Have you heard of "the bad astronomer" ? He's doing a Q&A at slashdot allowing users to ask whatever questions they want answered specifically hoping to get some answers and clarifications on space based conspiracies. Have you tried contacting this guy? If you want someone intelligent and knowledgeable who is also willing to talk about the left field type topics, this would be the place to start.

Anyways, lets talk about this virus. You have a virus that only infected project files for a specific video editing suite? That's a little iffy right off the bat, but not completely out there.

But, how did they find YOU? See, you can't just magically infect someone at random. You don't give enough information out on this site by connecting to it to be visible to anyone other than the site owners. Are you suggesting ATS infected you with a virus in an effort to silence you? Or, are you suggesting, the government or Nasa did this?

Stop and think long and hard before you answer this.

One answer makes you paranoid
the other makes you clinically insane, and an egomaniac.

Anyways, so your project file is toast, you still have the unedited footage, why not work with that? If this magical virus from Nasa did what you say it did, isn't that a bigger story than talking to a guy at an observatory about a planet that doesn't exist and was never mentioned in any of the texts Sichin claims?

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Short answer? Yes.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
So yeah, I wouldn't have even mentioned ATS. I would have went about it much like Penn & Teller did on their BS show, you write the waivers and such but never reveal the actual outlet. Mentioning nibiru did you in I think, you could have brought that up any number of ways, but by referencing a hoax conspiracy you doomed yourself.

In one of the NASA videos (or it may have been written on David Morrison's "Ask an Astrobiologist" web page, I don't remember) the spokesman acknowledges what I said about people wondering about killing themselves and their children. I would think that any feeling human being would do what they could to dispel any unfounded fears in order to SAVE LIVES.

Which brings me to this. Have you heard of "the bad astronomer" ? He's doing a Q&A at slashdot allowing users to ask whatever questions they want answered specifically hoping to get some answers and clarifications on space based conspiracies. Have you tried contacting this guy? If you want someone intelligent and knowledgeable who is also willing to talk about the left field type topics, this would be the place to start.

Good idea.

Anyways, lets talk about this virus. You have a virus that only infected project files for a specific video editing suite? That's a little iffy right off the bat, but not completely out there.

But, how did they find YOU? See, you can't just magically infect someone at random. You don't give enough information out on this site by connecting to it to be visible to anyone other than the site owners. Are you suggesting ATS infected you with a virus in an effort to silence you? Or, are you suggesting, the government or Nasa did this?

Stop and think long and hard before you answer this.

One answer makes you paranoid
the other makes you clinically insane, and an egomaniac.

"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't coming to get you."

I don't know man, I really don't. Maybe it was just a coincidence; the timing is what is "iffy" to me. As far as finding me, I don't think the government would have a problem with that at all. I'm sure they have the capabilities to infect any system they want, simply by tracking IP addresses. Hell they got the Stuxnet worm into Iran's nuclear mainframes and it wasn't even connected to the Internet.

And no, I don't think ATS had anything to do with it.

Anyways, so your project file is toast, you still have the unedited footage, why not work with that? If this magical virus from Nasa did what you say it did, isn't that a bigger story than talking to a guy at an observatory about a planet that doesn't exist and was never mentioned in any of the texts Sichin claims?

The observatory interview videos are now irrelevant, except to prove that I was there and that I did speak with Doug Gegen, the chief astronomer. I'm a writer, not an IT geek (no offense to IT geeks.) I couldn't get rid of the virus so I just saved my videos and personal files to an external hard drive and went back to factory specs. It was a pain in the butt, but it worked.

As far as Sitchin goes, I had to do a crash course on him. There are two main theories on Nibiru that differ wildly on the times of its approach. Lieder and her proponents say next year, and the Sitchin camp puts it far into the future by hundreds of years if I remember correctly. That has been difficult to reconcile. Time will tell I suppose.

Well I have to fly for now. I'll be back later. Thanks for all of the replies guys.

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You failed because it's a nonissue.

Look to the stars all the more harder. But when something proves to have been a bunk, move on. Kicking a dead horse doesn't make anyone care.

Quiet frankly, a lack of care in an issue and a desire to suppress it doesn't make it important no secretive. It could simply mean that people don't honestly give a dang about it and want you to use your mind to something, you know, useful.

Originally posted by Lynda101
I am wondering if any amateur astronomers have anything to add ...

Plenty of amateur astronomers had something to add about comet Elenin.
At its brightest, all you needed was a good backyard telescope to see it, and of course many did.
They all found the comet in the expected place. Lots of postings to amateur astronomy message forums showed it to be a perfectly boringly normal comet. A wimpy one. So insignificant that it couldnt even handle one trip past the sun.
Thats what all the amateur astronomers had to add.

You dont need to trust NASA or professional astronomers. If its in the sky, amateur astronomers can see it from home. And they do. And they post on astronomy forums.

Anyone who still believes at this point that comet Elenin was anything except a normal comet should look up the word "gullible" in the dictionary while standing in front of a mirror.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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You failed because it's a nonissue.

Look to the stars all the more harder. But when something proves to have been a bunk, move on. Kicking a dead horse doesn't make anyone care.

Quiet frankly, a lack of care in an issue and a desire to suppress it doesn't make it important no secretive. It could simply mean that people don't honestly give a dang about it and want you to use your mind to something, you know, useful.

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I gave you a star for your response. In fact, I've starred everyone regardless of what they have said. I appreciate everyone's input, good and bad, because it helps me become a better reporter.

While the comet itself may have been a non-issue, you have to admit that the perception of it was not. I felt that if just ONE person who viewed my report that had been thinking of killing their child to keep them from suffering from the effects of an E.L.E. - whether the threat was real or not, many people were absolutely convinced that it was going to be TEOTWAWKI - and subsequently changed their mind, then my efforts would have been well worthwhile.

In fact, there is at least one case of which I'm aware of a California woman who did just what I feared most; she slit the throats of her children and then tried to kill herself to spare them from the Tribulation that Harold Camping predicted.



THAT is exactly the type of scenario I was trying to prevent. I only wanted to bring some sanity to the table and save lives. If anyone has a problem with my motivation, they can kiss my furry butt.

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Teowhatever you called it an E.L.E.? Hell I've got no idea what that stuff even is, and for good reason.

Logic dictates that anything from space that is going to destroy the Earth will do it so fast that I won't even be able to notice. There is honestly no reason to buy into these made up terms. If some dwarf star came into the solar system, well I can assure you the planet would die long before it even hit us, assuming it would. If it was a plain old giant rock that would cast fire and brimstone across the world, probability is that either A, I'd be selected to get on a space ship to leave the planet, or B, I'd probably be dead in a second, and so who would care?

In fact, I can't really fathom anything that is from space that would honestly have time to respond to that could actually hurt us. If we actually had time to respond, we'd probably launch some 30,000 nukes at it, which is probably well over enough to send it to hell and beyond.


This is not to discredit your work. The better we find it, the more quickly and efficient we can drop 30,000 nukes on something. However, what it is, is saying that it's not worth worrying about. And those that do, well they get the Darwin award.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Teowhatever you called it an E.L.E.? Hell I've got no idea what that stuff even is, and for good reason.

Logic dictates that anything from space that is going to destroy the Earth will do it so fast that I won't even be able to notice. There is honestly no reason to buy into these made up terms. If some dwarf star came into the solar system, well I can assure you the planet would die long before it even hit us, assuming it would. If it was a plain old giant rock that would cast fire and brimstone across the world, probability is that either A, I'd be selected to get on a space ship to leave the planet, or B, I'd probably be dead in a second, and so who would care?

In fact, I can't really fathom anything that is from space that would honestly have time to respond to that could actually hurt us. If we actually had time to respond, we'd probably launch some 30,000 nukes at it, which is probably well over enough to send it to hell and beyond.


This is not to discredit your work. The better we find it, the more quickly and efficient we can drop 30,000 nukes on something. However, what it is, is saying that it's not worth worrying about. And those that do, well they get the Darwin award.

TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.

I hope you appreciate that. It was a pain in the but to make.

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Keep treking


I'll only worry when the planets get pulled out of orbit first.

After all, who ever said you'd see it coming?

Fantastic OP but the subject of Nibiru fascinates me in that it is a figment of the imagination of Nancy Lieder and Zecharia Sitchin - it doesn't exist. Yet people are talking about it as if it does.
It belongs in the same drawer as Alice in Wonderland and Biggles.