The Economy: How Politics is the Heroin of an Organic System

reply to post by Evolutionsend


I don't get it?

I didn't come to the US rich. I was a poor Hispanic kid in East LA. My choices were gangs and drugs or school.

My parents and I spent 6 months living in a Ford Festiva in LA. I slept in the trunk. since then I have gone back and forth between relative prosperity and being SOL. I know poverty. I was also born in a third world country to parents who escaped a communist regime in a third world country.

I also know success and what it takes to get there. And defeatist attitudes like the one you seem to want to take are not the kinds of attitudes and world views that get you there. I assure you.

reply to post by neo96


I won't have a problem spending my own money to support myself though. Many seniors in this country want medicare so they can hoard their assets, not because they actually need it.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


That's why I support means testing for SS and Medicare benefits. As well as raising the retirement age.

SS and medicare were NOT designed to be long term use programs.

reply to post by neo96

Sure they do how can a bunch of jobless homeless people eat but no_javascript:quote()t only that but eat so much they have become over weight?

First off, i see very little(if any) obese homeless people. Second, people dont usually starve forever. I person can be fat, but still be starving.

personal responsibility or the government?

I think its the responsibility of society to lift up their fellow man when they need help. Either way you need a some type of organization to execute that. 'Government' is just the one who organizes it.

reply to post by projectvxn


I'm just telling you what all the business models say, which is to have a secure amount of wealth before trying. You failed at it, so this means you didn't do it right. Did you learn everything that you did wrong? It doesn't sound like you have a very good idea of what it takes to have a profitable business. It's not a case of simply being poor and having nothing, and then magically having something. Majority of the young people in the united states do not have the means to start a business at all. I guess it's okay for the government to fund your business though?

reply to post by Evolutionsend


Many seniors average check is around $800 bucks a month millions of Americans have no savings some do many don't and since they paid into that system all their lives and paid their dues why shouldn't they get that return?

You are paying into that system right now and once you hit 65 and start getting your benefits how are you going to feel when some younger person says "Yep i will be glad once their gone" your not going to see any change from it the government will still take money from you to pay for others.

reply to post by neo96


It's bankrupt, we'll get nothing. Medicare is not what they paid in. SSI is what they paid in.

MANY working folks only make $800 a month. Should they get medicare and SSI as well?

reply to post by Evolutionsend


I don't believe in socialism. So therefore I don't believe government should fund my business. When did I say that the government funded my business?

Secondly I tried, and I failed. I ponied up a lot of money that I made personally as an independent web designer starting at the age of 14. I don't like web design. But at the time that's where the money was so that's what I did. Why? To save for the eventuality of being a coffeeshop owner. I've always wanted to run one, successfully. But I'm happy to have tried ad failed and learned what I did wrong.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


So then if people don't starve forever it's government organizer isn't needed forever but wait feeding the poor hasn't gone away.

People should help people they don't need a government organizer.

reply to post by projectvxn

As well as raising the retirement age.

I dont know about that. I am happy to support those at the current retirement age. I think of it as 'paying our dues'. As long as i am afforded the same treatment if i live that long.

reply to post by Evolutionsend


Sorry dear medicare is automatically deducted from social security checks which doesn't pay for the benefits they receive which is why the ponzi scheme seeks new people to pay for those who are getting those benefits.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


Yes, but SS is particular was not designed to be a long term pension plan. With length of life on the rise it stands to reason to we raise the retirement age or watch SS go bankrupt.

The other option would be to take charge of your own retirement and start saving and even investing.

reply to post by projectvxn


You probably didn't have enough saved. It takes a lot of money to get a business moving. If you made that much money between 14 and 18, color me impressed.

reply to post by projectvxn


I feel that 401k is more than adequate, and they should stop taking the money from the younger people now, and let SSI run dry.

As it stands when they take SS from your paycheck, that's theft because they have no current intention of paying it to you.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by projectvxn

 

You probably didn't have enough saved.

It takes a lot of money to get a business moving. If you made that much money between 14 and 18, color me impressed.

I did ok. I didn't have many expenses(14 year old typically dont). Aside from helping Mom with groceries and the light bill the only expense I had was girls.

Edit:

Web designers back then made a lot of money because not many people could do it. I also had a lot of local businesses and individuals who were interested in getting their name on the web. I did pretty good. Saved a lot of money. We took over a business that already existed(the original owner wasn't doing so well). So it wasn't that expensive to acquire.

reply to post by neo96

So then if people don't starve forever it's government organizer isn't needed forever but wait feeding the poor hasn't gone away.

A person doesn't starve forever. There will always be those without.

People should help people they don't need a government organizer.

No, there need to be some type of organizing. That is unless you have figured out a way to get everyone to donate food and money. And transport it. And hand it out. And do it again next meal. All without organization.

Now there are some places(like churches or salvation army) that do things like this. But a lot of the time these places are inaccessible. Especially for things like daily meals. Not to mention these programs are simply not enough to pull people out of the gutter.

SS, welfare and other gov run programs pick up some of the weight and do an okay job feeding and clothing our fellow kinsmen. While it can be flawed, that does not mean we should scrap it.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


Yep thats why there are over 145 million mouths to feed and makes the op quite nicely no competition just existence taking the labor of others instead of producing labor of their own and in turn making capital that is the lifeblood of the economy which makes that life blood taxation the government depends on the symbiotic relationship that has turned into a parasitic one.

Enter political ideology.

reply to post by projectvxn

The other option would be to take charge of your own retirement and start saving and even investing.

I thought paying into SS was for that reason. Retirement. Besides, as long as the money is spent it goes back into the economy.

reply to post by projectvxn


I would not have done that, had it been me.

I'm about to go off on another tangent here, but life from a wealth perspective is a quest to make something out of nothing. You, see options before you because of things in the past that have went in your favor at times, and the fact that you have a stable and decent paycheck currently, which is good. Other people do not have this. They feel that they shouldn't have to move across states, join the military, or jump through any hoops to have a decent job and a decent life. They want what others in our country had before them. They do not have as many options as you do, because they're not willing to make sacrifices like that. The options that you've taken advantage of are quickly drying up as well.

I also fall into the same boat as you (more or less), someone that moved far away from home, and found a way to make it. Not a day goes by that I do not miss my home and family though. In another time, neither of us would've had to sacrifice those things just to live comfortably.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


Again, SS was NOT meant as a long term pension program.

never was.