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reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 03:52 PM by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by beauty from pain



None of that... It's just a radical new thing called "common sense".

You'd be amazed at what can be done with it.




reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 04:09 PM by Annee
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
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post by Annee



I'd agree with you Anne, but not with transgenders. Being gay is one thing, but knowing your a different gender trapped in another, is entirely different.

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Did you know about the camps for transgender primary kids?

I knew - because I follow this stuff.

EDIT: Notice the date of this article Aug. 2, 2010. The article from FOX (lesbian parents) is dated Oct. 10, 2011.

Welcome to the guarded world of families with gender-variant kids, where a word like sparkle can move you to tears. Started by a parent support group out of Children's National Medical Center, this year the camp hosted 25 families and was held in a rural retreat a three-hour drive from Chicago. Most of the "Camp I Am" kids will one day end up somewhere in the GLBTQ spectrum—maybe cross-dressers, gender queer, or another term yet to be invented. But if past experience is any indication, the majority of our girly-boys will one day consider themselves straightforwardly gay. For the kids who turn out to be truly born in the wrong body, their parents will continue to wrestle with pronouns, possible hormonal intervention, and possible surgery down the road. In the meantime, many of us have learned to accept ambiguity, "holding all options open," as some supportive therapists say. Many of us attempt to avoid labels for something that may or may not fade away in a year—or 10.

www.slate.com...

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reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 04:17 PM by beauty from pain
reply to post by Fractured.Facade



I don't see how calling something like that disgusting as common sense when you know nothing about these people.


reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 04:28 PM by Annee
Originally posted by beauty from pain
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post by Fractured.Facade



I don't see how calling something like that disgusting as common sense when you know nothing about these people.


Common sense is realizing gender is "all shades of gray" - - "we are as we are born" and some enlightened aware humans have evolved to the understanding of that.


reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 05:26 PM by Chai_An
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by beauty from pain
reply to
post by Fractured.Facade



I don't see how calling something like that disgusting as common sense when you know nothing about these people.


Common sense is realizing gender is "all shades of gray" - - "we are as we are born" and some enlightened aware humans have evolved to the understanding of that.






You fail to take into consideration other factors that could influence gender identification. That blanket saying "we are as we are born " is not true for all people which is why any permanent alterations to that person should take place when they are old enough to weigh all the consequences of that decision. A 11 year old hardly have enough life experience to do so.


reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 06:23 PM by LexiconV
Originally posted by Violater1
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to
post by Annee



I'd agree with you Anne, but not with transgenders. Being gay is one thing, but knowing your a different gender trapped in another, is entirely different.


Really
Really!
I have taken care of transgender patients. Have you?
The fungal and bacterial infections (follow them for the rest of their lives) of their post surgical area's are remarkable!
Naturally, women produce lactic acid that helps kill off these organisms. Men Do NOT.
This is taught in all Schools of Medicine. To disregard this is to be negligent!
I quote from The American Family Physician," Stimulated by maternal estrogen, the vaginal epithelium is rugated and rich in glycogen in the newborn. During childhood, the epithelium remains thin until puberty, when it again thickens as a result of estrogen stimulation. Estrogen stimulation produces copious amounts of glycogen. Döderlein's lactobacilli depend on glycogen from sloughed vaginal cells.3 Lactic acid produced by these bacteria lowers vaginal pH levels to 3.5 to 4.5; this is essential for the body's natural defense against vaginal and urinary tract infections."
www.aafp.org...

You butcher's disgust me!
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Phew ! Lucky we have had a salutary symbiotic evolution with this bacteria otherwise the entire population would be scratching at its glands and not just the 50%.

As for the child... Well unless you experience the situation first hand, you'll never fully understand the confusion and misery the individual is challenged by. Gender re assignment at an early age has been in progress for years, regardless of the sexual identity of the parents.
These days there's a considerable amount of various professionals involved in the process. At least this kid will have some control over their gender dysphoria than being and so will be less likely to end up on suicide watch.
(Btw... there's more variation of sex chromosomes out there than just being an xx or an xy) What ever one you are chances are you have no idea what it is to be any of the others. Pretty lame to condemn and expect others to operate by your judgemental parameters when they come from a different perspective altogether.
No chopping/slashing/butchering will occur until they are old enough to make that choice. In the meantime hormone depressors are beneficial for the kid's psychological state. If at a later date the kid comes to terms with being born male then he can chose to come off the meds. In the meantime at least the emotional environment for all involved is less chaotic.

If its all about choice, then at least this kid has been given exactly that.


reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 06:38 PM by Annee
Originally posted by LexiconV
As for the child... Well unless you experience the situation first hand, you'll never fully understand the confusion and misery the individual is challenged by. Gender re assignment at an early age has been in progress for years, regardless of the sexual identity of the parents.

No chopping/slashing/butchering will occur until they are old enough to make that choice. In the meantime hormone depressors are beneficial for the kid's psychological state. If at a later date the kid comes to terms with being born male then he can chose to come off the meds. In the meantime at least the emotional environment for all involved is less chaotic.

If its all about choice, then at least this kid has been given exactly that.


Thank you - Thank you - Thank you.

I had an ADD kid - way back in 1968. You know - of course - its because she didn't get enough spankings

Now I'm raising a borderline "on the Spectrum" grandson. Must be environment.

I've been following LGBT issues for 20+ years - - since I worked at a company that was predominately gay/lesbian. Me being the token straight female (nice twist from the usual).

Anyway - - I have read the hormone blockers can be stopped without any known permanent effects (chose not to post that early in thread).

The most important thing is their "psychological well being". Which is exactly what my doctor told me about my ADD daughter. NO - he didn't drug her. He told me if I had to turn my home into a padded cell so she felt comfortable and was free to bounce off the walls - - that is what I needed to do.


reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 06:48 PM by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by tothetenthpower



I don't know, but I don't think it's great publicity for gay people trying to adopt and fighting off rumors of the effects of kids raised in a gay household. Their open mindedness, and tolerance may be getting into the way of their parenting and decision making in this particular circumstance.

They need to let the kid go through puberty so he/she can really sort themselves out. Better than letting them decide before puberty and then taking an irreversible action only to find out after the most mentally and physically tumultuous time in a person's life that it wast he wrong choice.


reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 06:51 PM by 46ACE
Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to
post by beauty from pain



None of that... It's just a radical new thing called "common sense".

You'd be amazed at what can be done with it.


An11yearold is taxed enough changing his or her favorite cartoon character.
here's another example of that "What? Its completely"normal" "commonsense:

[link]http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/2011/09/28/desperate-cross-dressing-dad-nearly-dies-trying-to-chop-off-his-own-penis-with-a-stanley- knife-86908-23451839/[/link]
Story gone: Link no longer works.

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reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 07:08 PM by Chai_An
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to
post by tothetenthpower



I don't know, but I don't think it's great publicity for gay people trying to adopt and fighting off rumors of the effects of kids raised in a gay household. Their open mindedness, and tolerance may be getting into the way of their parenting and decision making in this particular circumstance.

Exactly

They need to let the kid go through puberty so he/she can really sort themselves out. Better than letting them decide before puberty and then taking an irreversible action only to find out after the most mentally and physically tumultuous time in a person's life that it wast he wrong choice.

You hit the nail on the head.


reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 07:22 PM by Annee
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to
post by tothetenthpower



I don't know, but I don't think it's great publicity for gay people trying to adopt and fighting off rumors of the effects of kids raised in a gay household.


Did you know many gay parents are more paranoid of their kid being gay then straight parents?

Gay parents want what every straight parent wants. A healthy intelligent straight child who will give them grandchildren.

Although gay parents fully accept if their child is gay - - - they know what difficulties they went through - - - and don't want that for their own kids.

But - - if you look at the article I posted - - you will see the date of that article is Oct 2010. And is not about Lesbian or gay parents.

FOX is using media sensationalizing - - - BECAUSE - - this couple just happens to be Lesbian.
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